Sure how much do u need? On 2013-03-28 3:20 PM, "Roswyne" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe Kenny could swap you some blue? > On Mar 28, 2013 2:47 PM, "Benjamin Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Colin: if you have another colour of cable you are willing to spare, I'll >> take a length of that and you can finish off my box. My run at home will be >> in the ceiling/wall so colour doesn't matter. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Most of the cable being run needs to be white. We already have the cable >>> needed for the classroom-abovebathrooms job from Ben (I almost used up his >>> whole 1000ft box - leaving the rest because he needed to use some - I'll be >>> buying more white cable at Itech). >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Ken DeWitt < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Reading this discussion has made me realize that the box of cable I >>>> have is not the right color. Would it be problem if the cable I am using >>>> at the space is going to be blue. Also Colin when you are finished with >>>> installing the security camera and other things please let me know so I can >>>> figure out what is left from the cable skull space has. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Any question or comments you can email or call me at any time. >>>> I will get back to you as fast as I can. >>>> >>>> Thank you and have a nice day!! >>>> >>>> Ken DeWitt >>>> Your Fellow Tech. Guy >>>> >>>> Phone # : 204-998-3218 >>>> Email: kendewitt@y <[email protected]>ftg.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Colin Stanners >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> There should be one else I'll donate one. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is there a crimper, or do you usually bring your own? >>>>>> On Mar 28, 2013 10:08 AM, "Colin Stanners" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There's lots of ends at Sksp, I'd welcome help running the cable, >>>>>>> just need to go over the plan with you to make sure it's well-hidden. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>> the cables from the end of the classroom to above the bathrooms, white >>>>>>> cable will be mostly hidden in the cracks between the roof boards using >>>>>>> screwed-in zipties. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Ken DeWitt < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just need ends >>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 6:26 PM, "Ian Trump" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Correct. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 18:15, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I never brought up a cost or asked for money - the idea was that >>>>>>>>> perhaps we could get the necessary cable run equipment as a donation, >>>>>>>>> possibly from HSC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought that we can't expense anything to SkSp right now >>>>>>>>> anyways, unless it's approved? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 16:43, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great Ken, way to step up very much appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just please be aware we have a minimal budget for this work. The >>>>>>>>>> priority right now is to save for the needed electrical work and >>>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>>> Colin to complete his work on security and access control. I >>>>>>>>>> just looked at our finances. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The club is at 41 full member equivalents, we need 52 full >>>>>>>>>> member equivalents to be sustainable. We are loosing >>>>>>>>>> -$460 approximately per month, I am not counting donations above >>>>>>>>>> a 40.00 per full member equivalent, because they are donations - >>>>>>>>>> they may go away at any moment. Interestingly food and beverage sales >>>>>>>>>> manage to pay our monthly Hydro bill (more or less). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Current projections show "Death" on the 1'st of October 2014 if >>>>>>>>>> things remained the same, which they won't and we would rally and >>>>>>>>>> not letthat happen. That's 18 months to get 11 full member >>>>>>>>>> equivalentsand not loose anyone along this way. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When we get to 52 we can start looking at the nice to haves, >>>>>>>>>> right now we must focus on the must haves. The 3D printer >>>>>>>>>> was deemed a must have by the membership to attract more >>>>>>>>>> members. It was funded by the membership outside of regular dues and >>>>>>>>>> donations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, please let's be very careful about incurring expenses, we >>>>>>>>>> are very close to complete sustainability. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS; Donations of time and materials are so important to the club >>>>>>>>>> bottom line that stuff has a huge impact, a box of cable or stuff >>>>>>>>>> like that >>>>>>>>>> keeps the "Day of Doom" far away. All of you who have put in >>>>>>>>>> sweatequity, given equipment and "raw" IT material, >>>>>>>>>> or made financial contributions above the 40.00 have really >>>>>>>>>> sustained the club - on behalf of the board you have our sincere >>>>>>>>>> thanks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]] on behalf of Ken DeWitt [ >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* March 27, 2013 16:23 >>>>>>>>>> *To:* Skull Space Discussion List >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Skullspace2 Infrastructure >>>>>>>>>> update: network, security, oh my! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can do all the wiring for the class room and comp areas. >>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 4:09 PM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We were talking about running cat5 cable to the classroom and >>>>>>>>>>> computer work areas long before the security camera job came into >>>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>>> swing... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In the past, people have demonstrated a desire for having a >>>>>>>>>>> wired internet hookup in these places. It would be beneficial. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not telling Colin he needs to do it, I'm asking what we >>>>>>>>>>> need to do to get the ball rolling to obtain the cable trays to >>>>>>>>>>> start. >>>>>>>>>>> Currently, we have cat5 wiring running to the electrical bench and >>>>>>>>>>> lounge >>>>>>>>>>> via hanging wires - something which your inspector friend brought >>>>>>>>>>> up as a >>>>>>>>>>> no-no. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think we can all appreciate how hard Colin works for the >>>>>>>>>>> group. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 15:42, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to ask why these drops are needed? Given all the >>>>>>>>>>>> other things Colin is working on can we give this request a low >>>>>>>>>>>> priority? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For the sake of Colin's sanity let's balance some of these >>>>>>>>>>>> requests in terms of priority. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let me put this another way. Until cameras and access control >>>>>>>>>>>> is sorted out, would it not be reasonable to let him finish the >>>>>>>>>>>> jobs that >>>>>>>>>>>> are started? let's let him breath. Invoice his customers for the >>>>>>>>>>>> 100's of >>>>>>>>>>>> side jobs, etc he has completed over the past few months. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colin is working flat out and trying to run a business lets >>>>>>>>>>>> let him finish some jobs before asking more of the guy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 15:33, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What is required to start getting proper cat5 network drops >>>>>>>>>>>> to the classroom? Colin, you mentioned we needed some cable tray >>>>>>>>>>>> system... >>>>>>>>>>>> who can we contact to supply us with this? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> High speed crow, perhaps? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 08:45, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is well in need of update for the new space... once I get >>>>>>>>>>>>> the sksp wiki password from my old laptop (VNC not working, need >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot that) I'll put a notice on the page saying that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Ron >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you still maintaining the "Networking" wiki page? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 02:22, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > So that everyone knows what I'm working on and can give >>>>>>>>>>>>>> advice/comments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (Also so that I don't forget the details of all these...) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Wiring (following the 'harder/longer job = add more spare >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wires' rule, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > using >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > white wires & white wire trays in corners so they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> invisible to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > landlord) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Done: 6x wires from above-bathrooms to downstairs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> door: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: card access, doorbell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: outside front door camera and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either inside front >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > door or street camera >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: spare wires (both above >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cameras can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > put on 1x cat5 to allow another spare). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Done: 5x wires from server room to above-bathrooms: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x 22/4 wire: card access serial control, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe patch to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > fire panel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: to Sksp main network switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: VGAoverCAT5 so projector can show >>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > cams/other video from VGA splitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: 4x video feeds (2x front door, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sksp2 door, spare) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > In progress: 3x wires from above-bathroom to end of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> classroom: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: was going to be for flag cameras >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I may not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > install this one now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: likely will connect back to main >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sksp switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It works and causes an annoying sound to come from the box >>>>>>>>>>>>>> above the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > bathrooms - later I'll wire it so the bell will always ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the card >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > access >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > system's power is disconnected (may have enough battery >>>>>>>>>>>>>> power to last hours) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Cameras (old analog models running 12-24v power and video >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over cat5) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 7: Both ends of the rear parking lot; back door (needs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better mount); >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > elevator; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > outside Sksp2 door; outside front door; and either inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>> front door or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > street. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > A PC - either Zewwy's nice donated machine or the active >>>>>>>>>>>>>> card access PC - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > running 2x analog 4-input cards (currently the crappy $10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones that only do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > FPS; possibly better ones later) and Zoneminder under Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or BlueIris or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > IspyConnect under Windows to capture video upon motion, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also web viewing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I bought a 1x4 VGA splitter from Monoprice and eBay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGAoverCAT5 adapters* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > so that the view from the security PC can be sent to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently-unused >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > second VGA inputs on the projectors and can be easily >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought up. Of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > any other signal can be sent to the projectors this way for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> presentations >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *I got the cheap $1 units that just couple the cables; not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the $100 units >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > that include >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > filters, converting the unbalanced signals to differential >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > better over >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > twisted pair, and skew correction. I'll do homemade skew >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correction by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > calculating >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the length of the cat5 and measuring some pairs a bit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer so they all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 'match' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > electrically. The length ratios of different pairs in cat5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are at the end >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > of the wikip page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Projectors >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sksp lounge: I'm getting the same MP stand so it can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> roof-mounted too >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Classroom: need to install wire guide to make power/VGA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs nicer. If the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > power >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > outlet over the bathroom happens soon it can feed the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> projector instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > an ugly wire run down the side of the classroom wall. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Both of these will have a line from the VGA splitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> delivered over cat5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > as above. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Outside back wiring >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I installed a pipe in the back door frame so running wires >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is super easy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > would be good to install a pipe or guy wire to allow a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nicer run to top >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > level of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the fire escape and up to roof for later antennas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (satellite, amateur >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > radio, etc). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Internet access and link to AW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > We're still dependent on the AW link for internet, VOI >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > install a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dedicated dish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > We've had the hardware to upgrade the 10x4mbit AW link to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100x100mbit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > since the beginning but it's quite a few hours to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup/configure/install. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Network Monitoring >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Having a Linux box running MRTG to show the traffic on all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch ports, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > even local temperature and network rack power usage >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (measured at UPSes). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell and camera at outside loading dock door >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I'm considering this, does anything think it'll be useful? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Changing subnets >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Changing 192.168.1.x net to 172.16. would allow VPNing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (from Linksys >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > routers etc). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Also maybe separate the 'sksp' and 'wifi / public / >>>>>>>>>>>>>> untrusted' on different >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > networks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Card access fixes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Would be nice to have a button upstairs to remote open >>>>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs door >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (next to the sksp phone?) easy to do but need to run a wire >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there, or get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > of those cheap ebay remote controls. Front door is missing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sensor that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > lets the system know when the door is open because the door >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was closing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > too tight against the frame for one to be installed (note >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hole in door), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > fix soon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Internal web page with links to all device web interfaces >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The one I did for AW is useful, will make one for Sksp one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Card access control PCs (both currently sitting in pieces) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs (I always want 2 units with identical h/w, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for easy backup) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > have had issues for awhile due to bad capacitors that are a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger job to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > replace. We didn't have any identical PCs around sksp that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could use so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Ian >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > donated an old pair... that were from around the same era >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and turn out to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > have bad capacitors. But those are better engineered (IBM) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and easier to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > recap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs have been partially recapped (mobos and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSUs) but once I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > move to the IBMs they may appear in the pile of doom if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone wants them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The fobs I've been giving out recently were PegJam ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that had been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > activated when the PCs were still working... need to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon before I run >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Skullspace door: allowing landlord access and easy exit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I got a motion detector from eBay to allow auto-unlocking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > people get close to the door inside, but in the process of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > relay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > from the positive terminal to connecting the negative >>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I seem to have broken something since now it won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> un-detect after boot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Door access for landlord/staff without keyfob: may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible to move the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > current deadbolt to the "main" doorknob to make it work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but this is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > far on my to-do list right now, or $500 to get done by a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> locksmith. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > This would also allow exit without needing to push a button >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - preferable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Another option people mentioned would be a keypad at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> door that unlocks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the door - this is easy and cheap to do but I'd rather have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the standard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > key option. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Door remote control: would be nice to have; need to buy a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy of Kantech >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Entrapass SE ($300, but I may be able to get a bit cheaper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> price). 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