Colin: if you have another colour of cable you are willing to spare, I'll take a length of that and you can finish off my box. My run at home will be in the ceiling/wall so colour doesn't matter.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: > Most of the cable being run needs to be white. We already have the cable > needed for the classroom-abovebathrooms job from Ben (I almost used up his > whole 1000ft box - leaving the rest because he needed to use some - I'll be > buying more white cable at Itech). > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Ken DeWitt < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Reading this discussion has made me realize that the box of cable I have >> is not the right color. Would it be problem if the cable I am using at the >> space is going to be blue. Also Colin when you are finished with >> installing the security camera and other things please let me know so I can >> figure out what is left from the cable skull space has. >> >> -- >> >> Any question or comments you can email or call me at any time. >> I will get back to you as fast as I can. >> >> Thank you and have a nice day!! >> >> Ken DeWitt >> Your Fellow Tech. Guy >> >> Phone # : 204-998-3218 >> Email: kendewitt@y <[email protected]>ftg.ca >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> There should be one else I'll donate one. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a crimper, or do you usually bring your own? >>>> On Mar 28, 2013 10:08 AM, "Colin Stanners" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There's lots of ends at Sksp, I'd welcome help running the cable, just >>>>> need to go over the plan with you to make sure it's well-hidden. For the >>>>> cables from the end of the classroom to above the bathrooms, white cable >>>>> will be mostly hidden in the cracks between the roof boards using >>>>> screwed-in zipties. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Ken DeWitt < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just need ends >>>>>> On 2013-03-27 6:26 PM, "Ian Trump" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Correct. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 18:15, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I never brought up a cost or asked for money - the idea was that >>>>>>> perhaps we could get the necessary cable run equipment as a donation, >>>>>>> possibly from HSC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought that we can't expense anything to SkSp right now >>>>>>> anyways, unless it's approved? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 16:43, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great Ken, way to step up very much appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just please be aware we have a minimal budget for this work. The >>>>>>>> priority right now is to save for the needed electrical work and allow >>>>>>>> Colin to complete his work on security and access control. I just >>>>>>>> looked at our finances. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The club is at 41 full member equivalents, we need 52 full >>>>>>>> member equivalents to be sustainable. We are loosing >>>>>>>> -$460 approximately per month, I am not counting donations above a >>>>>>>> 40.00 per full member equivalent, because they are donations - >>>>>>>> they may go away at any moment. Interestingly food and beverage sales >>>>>>>> manage to pay our monthly Hydro bill (more or less). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Current projections show "Death" on the 1'st of October 2014 if >>>>>>>> things remained the same, which they won't and we would rally and not >>>>>>>> letthat happen. That's 18 months to get 11 full member equivalentsand >>>>>>>> not loose anyone along this way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When we get to 52 we can start looking at the nice to haves, right >>>>>>>> now we must focus on the must haves. The 3D printer was deemed a >>>>>>>> must have by the membership to attract more members. It was funded by >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> membership outside of regular dues and donations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, please let's be very careful about incurring expenses, we are >>>>>>>> very close to complete sustainability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PS; Donations of time and materials are so important to the club >>>>>>>> bottom line that stuff has a huge impact, a box of cable or stuff like >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> keeps the "Day of Doom" far away. All of you who have put in >>>>>>>> sweatequity, given equipment and "raw" IT material, >>>>>>>> or made financial contributions above the 40.00 have really >>>>>>>> sustained the club - on behalf of the board you have our sincere >>>>>>>> thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>>>>>>> [email protected]] on behalf of Ken DeWitt [ >>>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>>> *Sent:* March 27, 2013 16:23 >>>>>>>> *To:* Skull Space Discussion List >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Skullspace2 Infrastructure >>>>>>>> update: network, security, oh my! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can do all the wiring for the class room and comp areas. >>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 4:09 PM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We were talking about running cat5 cable to the classroom and >>>>>>>>> computer work areas long before the security camera job came into full >>>>>>>>> swing... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the past, people have demonstrated a desire for having a >>>>>>>>> wired internet hookup in these places. It would be beneficial. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not telling Colin he needs to do it, I'm asking what we need >>>>>>>>> to do to get the ball rolling to obtain the cable trays to start. >>>>>>>>> Currently, we have cat5 wiring running to the electrical bench and >>>>>>>>> lounge >>>>>>>>> via hanging wires - something which your inspector friend brought up >>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>> no-no. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think we can all appreciate how hard Colin works for the group. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 15:42, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm going to ask why these drops are needed? Given all the >>>>>>>>>> other things Colin is working on can we give this request a low >>>>>>>>>> priority? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For the sake of Colin's sanity let's balance some of these >>>>>>>>>> requests in terms of priority. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me put this another way. Until cameras and access control >>>>>>>>>> is sorted out, would it not be reasonable to let him finish the jobs >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> are started? let's let him breath. Invoice his customers for the >>>>>>>>>> 100's of >>>>>>>>>> side jobs, etc he has completed over the past few months. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Colin is working flat out and trying to run a business lets let >>>>>>>>>> him finish some jobs before asking more of the guy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 15:33, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is required to start getting proper cat5 network drops to >>>>>>>>>> the classroom? Colin, you mentioned we needed some cable tray >>>>>>>>>> system... who >>>>>>>>>> can we contact to supply us with this? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> High speed crow, perhaps? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 08:45, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is well in need of update for the new space... once I get >>>>>>>>>>> the sksp wiki password from my old laptop (VNC not working, need to >>>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot that) I'll put a notice on the page saying that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you still maintaining the "Networking" wiki page? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 02:22, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > So that everyone knows what I'm working on and can give >>>>>>>>>>>> advice/comments. >>>>>>>>>>>> > (Also so that I don't forget the details of all these...) >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Wiring (following the 'harder/longer job = add more spare >>>>>>>>>>>> wires' rule, and >>>>>>>>>>>> > using >>>>>>>>>>>> > white wires & white wire trays in corners so they're >>>>>>>>>>>> invisible to the >>>>>>>>>>>> > landlord) >>>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > Done: 6x wires from above-bathrooms to downstairs door: >>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: card access, doorbell >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: outside front door camera and either >>>>>>>>>>>> inside front >>>>>>>>>>>> > door or street camera >>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: spare wires (both above >>>>>>>>>>>> cameras can be >>>>>>>>>>>> > put on 1x cat5 to allow another spare). >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Done: 5x wires from server room to above-bathrooms: >>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x 22/4 wire: card access serial control, >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe patch to >>>>>>>>>>>> > fire panel >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: to Sksp main network switch >>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: VGAoverCAT5 so projector can show >>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>> > cams/other video from VGA splitter >>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: 4x video feeds (2x front door, >>>>>>>>>>>> sksp2 door, spare) >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > In progress: 3x wires from above-bathroom to end of >>>>>>>>>>>> classroom: >>>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: was going to be for flag cameras >>>>>>>>>>>> but I may not >>>>>>>>>>>> > install this one now >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: likely will connect back to main >>>>>>>>>>>> sksp switch >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell >>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> > It works and causes an annoying sound to come from the box >>>>>>>>>>>> above the >>>>>>>>>>>> > bathrooms - later I'll wire it so the bell will always ring >>>>>>>>>>>> when the card >>>>>>>>>>>> > access >>>>>>>>>>>> > system's power is disconnected (may have enough battery power >>>>>>>>>>>> to last hours) >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Cameras (old analog models running 12-24v power and video >>>>>>>>>>>> over cat5) >>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > 7: Both ends of the rear parking lot; back door (needs >>>>>>>>>>>> better mount); >>>>>>>>>>>> > elevator; >>>>>>>>>>>> > outside Sksp2 door; outside front door; and either inside >>>>>>>>>>>> front door or >>>>>>>>>>>> > street. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > A PC - either Zewwy's nice donated machine or the active card >>>>>>>>>>>> access PC - >>>>>>>>>>>> > running 2x analog 4-input cards (currently the crappy $10 >>>>>>>>>>>> ones that only do >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> > FPS; possibly better ones later) and Zoneminder under Linux >>>>>>>>>>>> or BlueIris or >>>>>>>>>>>> > IspyConnect under Windows to capture video upon motion, also >>>>>>>>>>>> web viewing. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I bought a 1x4 VGA splitter from Monoprice and eBay >>>>>>>>>>>> VGAoverCAT5 adapters* >>>>>>>>>>>> > so that the view from the security PC can be sent to the >>>>>>>>>>>> currently-unused >>>>>>>>>>>> > second VGA inputs on the projectors and can be easily brought >>>>>>>>>>>> up. Of course >>>>>>>>>>>> > any other signal can be sent to the projectors this way for >>>>>>>>>>>> presentations >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > *I got the cheap $1 units that just couple the cables; not >>>>>>>>>>>> the $100 units >>>>>>>>>>>> > that include >>>>>>>>>>>> > filters, converting the unbalanced signals to differential >>>>>>>>>>>> ones to work >>>>>>>>>>>> > better over >>>>>>>>>>>> > twisted pair, and skew correction. I'll do homemade skew >>>>>>>>>>>> correction by >>>>>>>>>>>> > calculating >>>>>>>>>>>> > the length of the cat5 and measuring some pairs a bit longer >>>>>>>>>>>> so they all >>>>>>>>>>>> > 'match' >>>>>>>>>>>> > electrically. The length ratios of different pairs in cat5 >>>>>>>>>>>> are at the end >>>>>>>>>>>> > of the wikip page. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Projectors >>>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > Sksp lounge: I'm getting the same MP stand so it can be >>>>>>>>>>>> roof-mounted too >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Classroom: need to install wire guide to make power/VGA runs >>>>>>>>>>>> nicer. If the >>>>>>>>>>>> > power >>>>>>>>>>>> > outlet over the bathroom happens soon it can feed the >>>>>>>>>>>> projector instead of >>>>>>>>>>>> > having >>>>>>>>>>>> > an ugly wire run down the side of the classroom wall. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Both of these will have a line from the VGA splitter >>>>>>>>>>>> delivered over cat5, >>>>>>>>>>>> > as above. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Outside back wiring >>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > I installed a pipe in the back door frame so running wires is >>>>>>>>>>>> super easy. >>>>>>>>>>>> > Still >>>>>>>>>>>> > would be good to install a pipe or guy wire to allow a nicer >>>>>>>>>>>> run to top >>>>>>>>>>>> > level of >>>>>>>>>>>> > the fire escape and up to roof for later antennas (satellite, >>>>>>>>>>>> amateur >>>>>>>>>>>> > radio, etc). >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Internet access and link to AW >>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > We're still dependent on the AW link for internet, VOI needs >>>>>>>>>>>> time to >>>>>>>>>>>> > install a >>>>>>>>>>>> > dedicated dish. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > We've had the hardware to upgrade the 10x4mbit AW link to >>>>>>>>>>>> 100x100mbit >>>>>>>>>>>> > since the beginning but it's quite a few hours to >>>>>>>>>>>> setup/configure/install. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Network Monitoring >>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > Having a Linux box running MRTG to show the traffic on all >>>>>>>>>>>> switch ports, >>>>>>>>>>>> > maybe >>>>>>>>>>>> > even local temperature and network rack power usage (measured >>>>>>>>>>>> at UPSes). >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell and camera at outside loading dock door >>>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > I'm considering this, does anything think it'll be useful? >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Changing subnets >>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > Changing 192.168.1.x net to 172.16. would allow VPNing (from >>>>>>>>>>>> Linksys >>>>>>>>>>>> > routers etc). >>>>>>>>>>>> > Also maybe separate the 'sksp' and 'wifi / public / >>>>>>>>>>>> untrusted' on different >>>>>>>>>>>> > networks. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Card access fixes >>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > Would be nice to have a button upstairs to remote open >>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs door >>>>>>>>>>>> > (next to the sksp phone?) easy to do but need to run a wire >>>>>>>>>>>> there, or get >>>>>>>>>>>> > one >>>>>>>>>>>> > of those cheap ebay remote controls. Front door is missing a >>>>>>>>>>>> sensor that >>>>>>>>>>>> > lets the system know when the door is open because the door >>>>>>>>>>>> was closing >>>>>>>>>>>> > too tight against the frame for one to be installed (note >>>>>>>>>>>> hole in door), >>>>>>>>>>>> > fix soon. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Internal web page with links to all device web interfaces >>>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > The one I did for AW is useful, will make one for Sksp one day >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Card access control PCs (both currently sitting in pieces) >>>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs (I always want 2 units with identical h/w, >>>>>>>>>>>> for easy backup) >>>>>>>>>>>> > have had issues for awhile due to bad capacitors that are a >>>>>>>>>>>> bigger job to >>>>>>>>>>>> > replace. We didn't have any identical PCs around sksp that I >>>>>>>>>>>> could use so >>>>>>>>>>>> > Ian >>>>>>>>>>>> > donated an old pair... that were from around the same era and >>>>>>>>>>>> turn out to >>>>>>>>>>>> > also >>>>>>>>>>>> > have bad capacitors. But those are better engineered (IBM) >>>>>>>>>>>> and easier to >>>>>>>>>>>> > recap. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs have been partially recapped (mobos and PSUs) >>>>>>>>>>>> but once I >>>>>>>>>>>> > move to the IBMs they may appear in the pile of doom if >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone wants them. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > The fobs I've been giving out recently were PegJam ones that >>>>>>>>>>>> had been >>>>>>>>>>>> > activated when the PCs were still working... need to fix soon >>>>>>>>>>>> before I run >>>>>>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Skullspace door: allowing landlord access and easy exit >>>>>>>>>>>> > --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> > I got a motion detector from eBay to allow auto-unlocking when >>>>>>>>>>>> > people get close to the door inside, but in the process of >>>>>>>>>>>> converting its >>>>>>>>>>>> > relay >>>>>>>>>>>> > from the positive terminal to connecting the negative terminal >>>>>>>>>>>> > I seem to have broken something since now it won't un-detect >>>>>>>>>>>> after boot. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Door access for landlord/staff without keyfob: may be >>>>>>>>>>>> possible to move the >>>>>>>>>>>> > current deadbolt to the "main" doorknob to make it work, but >>>>>>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>>>>>> > far on my to-do list right now, or $500 to get done by a >>>>>>>>>>>> locksmith. >>>>>>>>>>>> > This would also allow exit without needing to push a button - >>>>>>>>>>>> preferable. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Another option people mentioned would be a keypad at the door >>>>>>>>>>>> that unlocks >>>>>>>>>>>> > the door - this is easy and cheap to do but I'd rather have >>>>>>>>>>>> the standard >>>>>>>>>>>> > key option. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Door remote control: would be nice to have; need to buy a >>>>>>>>>>>> copy of Kantech >>>>>>>>>>>> > Entrapass SE ($300, but I may be able to get a bit cheaper >>>>>>>>>>>> price). 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