i used group mode under tiger. now i use dom mode. to me it seems to
display things much better than group mode did in tiger. i know on my
sighted brother's page it displays the info there much better than it
did in group mode. i don't know if any improvements were made in group
mode under leopard now though so i might not know anything about what
i've written here.
On Apr 14, 2008, at 11:44 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
Ok Josh, which would you rather do, hae to interact with something
every time you want to read it or just read or skip it? With
grouped mode, I have to use the poor group constructs to look over
the page and pickthe best one and this after the page loads slowly
and I've gone through the tedium of navigating the page with vo. In
either mode, I can tab throuh the page, get lists of links, find
stuff by eement type and jump through elements I think I cn do this
in group mode anyway. In any event, when I am in dom mode and find
something I want to read, I can just press vo-a and begin reading
and yes, it won't read the whole thing, but neither do I have to
open and close groups. What am I missing?
On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
On 14 Apr, 2008, at 8:28 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
I understand how it works ad in principle, it is fine. I just find
it much slower and more complex than dom nav. perhaps if more
people understood dom nav, they'd use it instead becaust it's a lot
less work.
I totally disagree. DOM mode with VO has all the same problems that
it does with Window-Eyes or Jaws. I've used both modes. DOM
navigation requires more navigation, gives a less accurate
representation of the page, and requires far more arrowing around.
I suspect if you did a survey, you'd likely find that most users are
using DOM mode, not Grouped, because it is so much like what they've
become accustomed to in Windows. I'm sure you understand the
concept behind grouped navigation, but I don't think you fully
understand the best ways of utilizing it to your advantage while
browsing. Everyone will have a different opinion why they like one
over the other, but as a matter of sheer practicality, it is very
difficult to make an argument that DOM mode is more efficient than
grouped.
I'd like to hear what others are using and why, and how many have
actually learned to use Grouped mode in depth.
Josh de Lioncourt
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