to get to the title of the mailbox, make sure you are not interacting with the mailbox and use vo with arrows till you find it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Krister Ekstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.6 to Developers Ok, and here i thought i was the clever one, but i obviously need to read up on how to read mail effectively as a blind person, is there such a tutorial? I don't know how to get at those message numbers... Silly me.:-) /Krister 25 okt 2008 kl. 14.40 skrev David Poehlman: > each message has a number. the number of messages available is in > the title > of the mailbox. believe me, it is a better way and you will find > that it > is. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marty Rimpau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.6 to Developers > > > Hi David, you hear the number of rows added, but sighted people can > look and see how many messages there are, but we can't, and how do you > know where you are in a list, if it doesn't say 5 of 15, or something > like that, because it might say 25 rows added, but what if you have > more than 25 messages in your folder, how do you know how many > messages > you have to go until the end? Sighted people don't need itemized > lists, but we do, so the screen readers have these, but at least on my > mac, I don't hear any itemized count, and that was helpful when I > would > be reading my mail. > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:47:21 -0400, David Poehlman wrote: > > They are not basic things, they are windows things. I am somewhat > unclear > about what you want though for instance, if you use list view, you get > numbered lists. same in mail, you get numbered messages and there > is a > top > and bottom. outlook express doesn't even give you numbered messages. > > What is an itemized list? > > I use arrows to move through folders in one of the three views, list, > iconand column all the time and do not feel the need for a top and > bottom > signal. > > When a folder is empty, it's empty. when there is only one item in a > list, > there is no reason to have it read more than once but you can examine > the > list with vo keys and arrows. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marty Rimpau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X > by > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.6 to Developers > > > Hi all, I think we need itemized lists, because I can be in a folder, > and unless I type something, I don't know where I am, and there is no > top and bottom index so you don't know if you're at the beginning of a > list or not. If voice over has this, it should have these options > available by default right out of the box, and also, when in an empty > folder, it should say unselected, or no selected item, as when I am in > a list of messages, and there is only one message in the > list, in mail, or a folder, pressing the up arrow will not read the > message or file again, and, maybe it is my misunderstanding of the > mac, because I have only had it for a month, but to me, these basic > things are very important. On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:29 AM, Will Lomas > wrote: > >> table identification for a start >> how many headings frames and links a site has when it first loads >> would be advantagious for those who may want to know what elements >> are on a page before browsing it >> >> On 24 Oct 2008, at 13:08, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> I would say it's already there, what do you think the windows >>> access has that te mac doesn't? Of course, flash support is not >>> available on the mac yet, hopefully that will work at some point. >>> On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:51 AM, Will Lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hmmm wouldn't it be great to get safari web access for us up to >>>> that of windows competition? >>>> >>>> On 24 Oct 2008, at 01:36, Babcock, Michael Alex wrote: >>>> >>>>> i wonder if this has voiceover on it? Hmm. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> Date: October 23, 2008 12:46:12 PM GMT-08:00 >>>>>> Subject: Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.6 to Developers >>>>>> Source: MacRumors : Mac News and Rumors >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple has started developer seeding and testing of the next >>>>>> update to their Mac OS X operating system. Mac OS X 10.5.6 was >>>>>> seeded to developers this morning and offers the usual laundry >>>>>> list of bug fixes and improvements across a variety of >>>>>> services... >>>>>> Read more. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Michael Babcock, owner of >>>>> http://gwhosting.net >>>>> Check out my blog at: >>>>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/GwNetworks >>>>> twitter at: http://twitter.com/creepyblindy >>>>> and brightkite at: http://brightkite.com/people/creepyblindy >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > Marty > > > > > >
