Setting up self sign up web pages with user agreements and such should not be much of a problem. It just all depends on the level of work as a group we want to do.
I would love to attend the meeting this Thursday and see what we can do as a group but I will be in LA that night and unable to make it. Kim C. Callis wrote: > I couldn't agree with that statement wholeheartedly! Provide > authentication through a RADIUS server (which could be handled by those > AP that are running Monowall/pfsense), and be able to hold users > accountable through proper user management. There is always a question > of exposure to liability to SCFN (acting at the role of provider), by > the actions of a user of the system. Through proper user management that > could reduce the potential exposure... Of course that is just my > thoughts on the matter. > > K. > > On 3/21/07, *Jason Murphy* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > This subject was bound to come up. If you give something out for free > and you can not track the users of it, abuse will quickly follow. > > There is software to deal with this problem. The only problem I can see > are the encrypted Torrents connections. What might fix it is to install > software that triggers when someone tries to a big download, they are > rate limited. > > It might be time for So Cal Free net to start diving into the area of > user management. Which I think was bound to happen. > > > Phil Karn wrote: > > Steve Shapery wrote: > > > >> All they (yes, they, not he.. there were 6 concurrent users abusing > >> the service with P2P and Bittorrent sessions) cared about was > their warez. > >> > >> So, if anyone asks, the Normal Heights node is offline due to abuse. > > > > I've been meaning to get involved in Socalfreenet for some time, > and the > > abuse issue is the #1 reason I've been putting it off. I know > it's an > > uncomfortable topic, but I have no experience in providing IP > > connectivity to the public and would like the benefit of the group's > > experience. > > > > Basically, I'm happy to volunteer my time, expertise and home > network > > connection (Speakeasy) to help others -- but not if it'll get ME > in trouble. > > > > Speakeasy is more enlightened and geek-friendly than your average > ISP. > > Not many ISPs officially let you resell or even share your > connection > > with your neighbors. But there's a catch: > > > > >As a NetShare Admin, you are responsible for all traffic taking > place > > >on your circuit, whether generated by yourself or your NetShare > > >Customers. This covers abuse, reasonable use, etc. > > > > I emailed Speakeasy and asked what this meant. I said that my > neighbors > > are all good people as far as I know. But suppose one of my IP > addresses > > shows up where it shouldn't and the FBI sends them a subpoena (or > one of > > those "national security letters" we've been hearing so much about). > > Would Speakeasy at least explain that I share my connection as > they rush > > to be cooperative? > > > > No response. > > > > In a world where most people never set WiFi passwords, and where > botnets > > relay 80-90% of all spam and grow to 50K-100K nodes each, one would > > *think* that a mere IP address wouldn't constitute probable cause > for a > > raid or a RIAA lawsuit. But one would be wrong. > > > > What do you do about this beyond making users agree to an > acceptable use > > policy? Who owns the public IP addresses that they use? Has > anybody ever > > been contacted by law enforcement about a Socalfreenet user, and were > > they reasonable or heavy handed about it? What about Speakeasy -- > are > > they reasonable, or do they just cut you off? > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Phil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List > > To unsubscribe, please visit: > http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org > > > -- > -- > Jason Murphy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > _______________________________________________ > SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List > To unsubscribe, please visit: > http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org > > > > > -- > Kim C. Callis > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > _____________________________________ > "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance > accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give > orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, > pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently > and die gallantly. > Specialization is for insects!" > -- Robert A. 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