had that. they didn't seem to care. or perhaps they didnt know they were running P2P clients.(?)
At 08:39 AM 3/22/2007, Allen Smith wrote: >Perhaps a little social engineering could serve you well. You could >force users to click through a web page (much like you see when you >get on at a coffee shop) that displays a sufficiently scary notice >about how traffic is monitored across the network. > > > >On Mar 22, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Steve Shapery wrote: > >>I guess I wasn't clear in my initial tirade about why I tore down >>the node. >> >>In general, I've seen 4-6 people on the node at any given time, >>sending email, surfing the web, browsing YouTube, whatever. >> >>but then within 5 days, I saw none of the regular nodes, and I saw >>six new ones online, all doing P2P at the same time. >> >>different apps, different versions, different servers. >> >>But they were the only apps I saw live for days at a time. >> >>I guess the crux of my issue is that they so blatantly abused the >>service, and that also I couldn't get the P2P completely blocked, >>either through MW or through my Cisco with NBAR. >> >>but when one runs across people puilling 14 mbit of P2P over ones' >>wire, one tends to get irked. >> >> >> -S >> >> >>At 09:33 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: >>>FWIW, we do some bandwidth shaping already. M0n0wall has some >>>built in >>>rules to elevate traffic like email and ssh and push down known P2P >>>(based chiefly on port numbers), leaving http in the middle. See the >>>m0n0wall docs for more details. >>> >>>Re logging of data, I've heard it every way. You shouldn't keep logs >>>because then you can't get into trouble for not providing them, or >>>get >>>sued by someone subsequently because you did provide them and >>>shouldn't >>>have. You should keep logs so you can be a responsible citizen and >>>help >>>the authorities track things down, and also show that it wasn't >>>you. Or >>>you should keep logs, but anonymize them sufficiently to show that it >>>wasn't you, but you can't tell who it really was. >>> >>>We briefly toyed with the idea of keeping logs and making them all >>>public all the time, but then it was pointed out that they could >>>be used >>>by stalkers. Currently we don't keep logs because the donated syslog >>>server we were using has died. Before then we used to keep dhcp lease >>>logs only. We do have limited logs on the m0n0wall gateways, but they >>>expire quickly. Meraki keeps logs, and I don't know exactly what >>>their >>>policy is (though now I'll ask!). >>> >>>Its a fascinating topic (though not to all, as a couple of recent >>>unsubscribes suggest!). I'll be happy to continue in person at >>>tomorrow >>>night's monthly meeting if anyone who attends is interested. >>>http://socalfreenet.org/node/751 >>> >>>cheers, michael >>>-- >>>Michael Mee >>>858-531-0735 >>>www.socalfreenet.org >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >>>To unsubscribe, please visit: >>>http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >>To unsubscribe, please visit: http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/ >>listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org _______________________________________________ SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List To unsubscribe, please visit: http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org
