Torrie, I can understand how the sign came off as offensive. It goes against the grain of Christian values to say there is another God. I however agree with Robert, I think we should just relax a little. I am sure Ben is sorry for what he said. We can't change what happened, we can only change what happens next. I am not saying it wasn't hurtful, it just needs to be let go now. -Beth
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Robert Rybicki <[email protected]>wrote: > I too noticed the sign on the rack the other day, and though I was not > offended by it, I was surprised. I considered the source and took it as the > joke it was intended as. The same can probably be said for Ben and his > joke. I am not saying any of this is not hurtful, I just don't believe any > of it is coming from a place of hatred. Bigotry stems from ignorance, > intolerance, and low intellect. I do not know Ben but I would guess he is > none of these things. His joke was not well received and he was quickly and > righteously set straight. I have found myself in a similar situations and > though I was beyond embarrassed by how I acted or what I said, I have found > that a quick and sincere apology is the best thing. > > The point I want to make is though I recognize tolerance of differences is > important, I don't want to work or play in an environment that is uptight. > I don't want to walk on egg shells when I talk or hang out. I want to have > fun. If I cross a line, a direct response telling me that is too far will > receive a direct apology, and I will not go there again. Please strive to > be respectful to everyone but at the same time please don't make the place > stuffy with oversensitivity. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:21 AM, "Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron)" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I too am a not-yet-member, who is considering SYNHAK as a place to spend > some time, meet some new people, learn some new skills, and work on my pet > projects. I fully support the goal of respecting and being excellent to > all regardless of the differences in how we choose to live out our personal > lives. Therefore I would like to request two things. First that we add > religious preference to the list of things we strive to respect about each > other. Second that we remove the attempt at humor on the sales rack calling > it a god. > > > > V/R > > Tim Seeley > > > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *alex kot > *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 5:47 AM > *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list > *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] New mailing list: power-racing-series > > > > Thanks Torrie, Philip, and Xander for your input. Just to elaborate more > onto this. Syn/Hak is a community for open minded individuals. The space > does not condone to judging sexual preference, race, gender, and > disabilities. By chance this was just one of those internet references > that was not in context of judging someones sexual preference, be leery > that everyone may not get those references. Try to be politically correct > and most importantly respectful of other people, after all this is a public > email listing. > > > > On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:38 PM, Alexander Golightley < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Torrie, thank you. Seriously. I couldn't support your decision more than I > do now. > > > > As another non-heteronormative member of the LGBT community, I deal with > bigoted crap enough day to day. I don't need to deal with it in the > organization I love so dearly. I think actions like this are the only way > to show that this type of bigotry is unacceptable. I'm delighted to be part > of an organization that feels the same way (although I am in no way > surprised by this. I think very highly of the people involved in SYN/HAK.) > > > > -Xander > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Philip P. Patnode <[email protected]> > wrote: > > TWIMC and Torrie Fischer, > > > > As an outsider and non-member, who is considering SYNHAK as a place to > spend some time, meet some new people, learn some new skills, and work on > my pet projects, I want to state that I fully support Torrie Fischer's > reaction to the astonishing email from BL containing an obvious slur > against a group of people who deserve to be treated as equals in all > respects, at all times. > > > > Homophobic slurs are unwanted, unnecessary, embarrassing, and totally > devoid of substance. Even one as silly as the one in BL's email reply - is > out of place in our civilized society. Comments like that have no place in > the organization and must be suppressed with prejudice immediately. > > > > I hope that the members of SYNHAK will agree with Torrie and support her. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > PPP > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Thursday, November 14, 2013 20:28:58 Ben Lippincott wrote: > > Ha! Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! > > Hello, friend. > > It seems that you have tried to introduce a smidgen of immature humor into > a > public mailing list. As a non-heteronormative member of the LGBT > community, I > must say that I am disgusted with your behavior. Thoroughly disgusted, in > fact. I will admit this: SYNHAK is essentially a very large community of > technical children who somehow managed to pull together enough > collaborative > effort to give birth to something wonderful in the City of Invention. > > Irrespective of that, we give each other the full respect that each of us > is > due. Using "gay" in such a manner shows a disappointing lack of respect > from > you. > > As Champion of SYNHAK, it is my duty to ensure that SYNHAK is constantly > moving in a direction in accordance with our mission statement, which I've > included here from our bylaws for reference: > > SYN/HAK provides an environment for people to educate, create, and > share > amongst themselves and others within the domains of technology, art and > science. > > -- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/bylaws.pdf > > > It is my belief that in order to secure such an environment, upholding the > first rule of the space is of utmost important. Again, i've included it > here > for reference: > > 1. Be excellent to each other. > > -- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/space-rules.pdf > > With the powers vested in me as documented through our bylaws and given to > me > through my re-election to the position of SYNHAK Champion by the > membership of > this community, I hereby declare that you were not acting in accordance > with > our mission statement. That is to say, you are not acting Excellent. > > I recommend that you cease this behavior immediately. Do not pass go. Do > not > collect $200. Do not send another mail to this community or further action > will be taken to exclude you and your behavior from it. > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, codex codices <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I tried to subscribe and it says that I must enter a valid email > address. > > > Its the same address I use for the other mailing lists. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Howdy, all. > > >> > > >> At the request of Devin, I've created a new list: > > >> > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> Subscribe here: > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/power-racing-series > > >> > > >> It is intended for use in facilitating discussions about the power > wheel > > >> racing series project, aka the big pink Power Wheels car and nearby > > >> tractor > > >> chassis in the front of the space. I've added Devin as the primary > list > > >> owner, > > >> with [email protected] as the backup. > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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