oops, i suck with names (meant jeff, not ben), Happy to hear from you Ben (although we've never met)
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Ben Lippincott <[email protected]>wrote: > I'm sorry if I offended anyone. The specific phrase that I used was a meme > (it's the cartoon seal), and intended as a joke. > > > On Monday, November 18, 2013, Craig Bergdorf wrote: > >> IMO: >> >> I agree with ben that debates of reactions to offence to one's core >> should be in person, (how else can you gauge when you're going too far? not >> going far enough? or smack them in the face? :) ) A broad group demands >> broad humor, and personally, i take more offence to someone challenging >> what I hold above myself than attacking myself personally, so I can relate >> that to some it is a far greater offence (how many eggshells did I just >> win?). Neither is acceptable in print, or to be proclaimed/shouted from >> the streets. In person or simulated with chat it IS different, it is part >> of getting to know someone; deciding if they are compatible with you. >> Although I don’t think the op has any intention of starting this dialog, it >> was going to come up eventually. SynHak is getting big, there are already >> several pairs that don’t mix, Personally, I enjoy it, but I believe what >> separates a Hackerspace from a group of close friends sharing tools is how >> this specific issue is handled. Some will just ban the offenders, some >> will push towards ridgid professionalism, I favor the model of too many >> people in a room: if it sucks-yell as loud as the offence was yelled, as >> Torrie did so eloquently. This keeps the clickieness (is that a word?) >> down to a minimum and continues the mixing of everyone on equal ground (the >> point right?). >> >> >> >> To me, (as I was reminded recently) the discuss list is for coherent >> thought, or proofread opinion,( or in my case, semi-intoxicated rants that >> are spelchek3d), but not for casual chat. >> >> On a few comments, including the two discussed here, Outside of severe >> incompatibility with the program I run (which I can’t really fault anyone >> for (however mad it may make me)), the only fault I saw is simply one of >> using the list as a chat forum to get to know people, we have IRC & real >> life for casual chat. >> >> >> >> Please don’t slash my tires, >> >> Craig >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Jeff Nielson <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> "I am your god" is just as vague as Ben was. That is why people who are >> PC just stay away from topics that might offend. This is a conversation >> that should be had in person. I suggest you call each other, because this >> kind of stuff just gets blown out of proportion when written text is >> misunderstood. Some might say, they were just being funny. I suggest we >> look for ways to be funny that don't potentially tread on others when we >> are talking or acting publicly. My advice to all is that if you want to >> form your own RasPi church, say slurs, or create false idol walls you >> should probably just do it with your close friends, not in a group that >> wants to have a public face. You will alienate good people that you would >> otherwise really like to be around. >> >> Disclaimer: I am not a member (because my schedule is bad). >> >> --Jeff >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Torrie Fischer < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Friday, November 15, 2013 21:45:24 Seeley, Tim wrote: >> > Hi Torrie, >> > >> > Thanks for caring and asking to have a better understanding. Jesus >> died so >> > that I could be forgiven and restored to a relationship with >> Himself/God. >> > That makes His and mine relationship very personal for me. I am not >> > offended when others religious beliefs are different. Nor is it >> offensive >> > when those beliefs are written and posted. The portion of the note that >> > claimed the sales rack was a god gave no offence. The sign goes >> further by >> > saying "I (the sales rack) am your god". That is what made me wince. >> >> Ok, right. I'm still not sure why it made you wince. I'm really not a >> christian in any sense, so I have no idea about anything. >> >> In my opinion, I don't think it is necessarily un-Excellent to say >> offensive >> words. What matters, is the intent of those words. Consider the phrase >> "wow >> thats gay". It could be interpreted either way. In one instance, it could >> be >> said by a close LGBT friend as a statement that something is in fact >> incredibly gay. >> >> Another instance would be with Ben's post earlier in the thread, where the >> word "gay" was used as a negative statement. The connotation there is that >> being gay is an inferior state. After all, shouldn't an organization of >> technically-minded people be able to run a mailing list or two without >> issue? >> Since that doesn't seem to be the case, they must be gay. >> >> Considering the above, this is perhaps why I'm confused as to why "I am >> your >> god" seems to offend. I can understand that it makes an incredulous and >> blasphemous claim, but I'm not able to see how that statement might be >> describing your religious identity as an inferior state. >> >> To me, the statement was a playful joke that intended to convey to the >> reader >> that the rack was a corporeal entity trying to convince the reader that >> they >> were your new god and should be treated as such. I imagine that the rack >> could >> be seen as one of Satan's tricks that attempt to lure you towards >> disobeying >> the first of the ten commandments. Considering that, if Satan himself >> (with >> all his terrible power) could only muster the strength to conjure a test >> of >> faith in the form of a harmless wire rack, well, I think thats pretty >> funny. >> >> In no way do I mean to come off as trivializing your concerns, I'm merely >> trying to understand the intricacies of a culture I am rather unfamiliar >> with. >> >> > >> > Jesus willingly died that all who would repent and believe in His name >> shall >> > be saved and live with Him forever. That is great news! Christians are >> > called to share that news. That means share not impose. We are not >> called >> > to go around worrying about how others are offending Christians. That >> > really would not help anyone. By speaking up all that I really wanted >> was >> > to add religious preference to the list of things SYNHAK counts as >> worthy >> > of respecting in others. >> > >> > I am all for an eggshell-free zone at SYNHAK. In an effort to address >> > potential future eggshell issues, let me say a few words about the use >> of >> > Jesus's name in ways that are >> >> > > -- > Thanks! > Ben Lippincott > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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