*Begins sweeping eggshells off the floor*
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > On Monday, November 18, 2013 06:33:45 Ben Lippincott wrote: > > I'm sorry if I offended anyone. The specific phrase that I used was a > meme > > (it's the cartoon seal), and intended as a joke. > > apology accepted ^^ > > > > > > On Monday, November 18, 2013, Craig Bergdorf wrote: > > > IMO: > > > > > > I agree with ben that debates of reactions to offence to one's core > should > > > be in person, (how else can you gauge when you're going too far? not > going > > > far enough? or smack them in the face? :) ) A broad group demands > broad > > > humor, and personally, i take more offence to someone challenging what > I > > > hold above myself than attacking myself personally, so I can relate > that > > > to > > > some it is a far greater offence (how many eggshells did I just win?). > > > Neither is acceptable in print, or to be proclaimed/shouted from the > > > streets. In person or simulated with chat it IS different, it is part > of > > > getting to know someone; deciding if they are compatible with you. > > > Although > > > I don’t think the op has any intention of starting this dialog, it was > > > going to come up eventually. SynHak is getting big, there are already > > > several pairs that don’t mix, Personally, I enjoy it, but I believe > what > > > separates a Hackerspace from a group of close friends sharing tools is > how > > > this specific issue is handled. Some will just ban the offenders, some > > > will push towards ridgid professionalism, I favor the model of too many > > > people in a room: if it sucks-yell as loud as the offence was yelled, > as > > > Torrie did so eloquently. This keeps the clickieness (is that a word?) > > > down to a minimum and continues the mixing of everyone on equal ground > > > (the > > > point right?). > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, (as I was reminded recently) the discuss list is for coherent > > > thought, or proofread opinion,( or in my case, semi-intoxicated rants > that > > > are spelchek3d), but not for casual chat. > > > > > > On a few comments, including the two discussed here, Outside of severe > > > incompatibility with the program I run (which I can’t really fault > anyone > > > for (however mad it may make me)), the only fault I saw is simply one > of > > > using the list as a chat forum to get to know people, we have IRC & > real > > > life for casual chat. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don’t slash my tires, > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Jeff Nielson > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > "I am your god" is just as vague as Ben was. That is why people who > are > > > PC just stay away from topics that might offend. This is a > conversation > > > that should be had in person. I suggest you call each other, because > this > > > kind of stuff just gets blown out of proportion when written text is > > > misunderstood. Some might say, they were just being funny. I suggest > we > > > look for ways to be funny that don't potentially tread on others when > we > > > are talking or acting publicly. My advice to all is that if you want to > > > form your own RasPi church, say slurs, or create false idol walls you > > > should probably just do it with your close friends, not in a group that > > > wants to have a public face. You will alienate good people that you > would > > > otherwise really like to be around. > > > > > > Disclaimer: I am not a member (because my schedule is bad). > > > > > > --Jeff > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Torrie Fischer < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > On Friday, November 15, 2013 21:45:24 Seeley, Tim wrote: > > > > Hi Torrie, > > > > > > > > Thanks for caring and asking to have a better understanding. Jesus > died > > > > > > so > > > > > > > that I could be forgiven and restored to a relationship with > > > > Himself/God. > > > > That makes His and mine relationship very personal for me. I am not > > > > offended when others religious beliefs are different. Nor is it > > > > > > offensive > > > > > > > when those beliefs are written and posted. The portion of the note > that > > > > claimed the sales rack was a god gave no offence. The sign goes > further > > > > > > by > > > > > > > saying "I (the sales rack) am your god". That is what made me wince. > > > > > > Ok, right. I'm still not sure why it made you wince. I'm really not a > > > christian in any sense, so I have no idea about anything. > > > > > > In my opinion, I don't think it is necessarily un-Excellent to say > > > offensive > > > words. What matters, is the intent of those words. Consider the phrase > > > "wow > > > thats gay". It could be interpreted either way. In one instance, it > could > > > be > > > said by a close LGBT friend as a statement that something is in fact > > > incredibly gay. > > > > > > Another instance would be with Ben's post earlier in the thread, where > the > > > word "gay" was used as a negative statement. The connotation there is > that > > > being gay is an inferior state. After all, shouldn't an organization of > > > technically-minded people be able to run a mailing list or two without > > > issue? > > > Since that doesn't seem to be the case, they must be gay. > > > > > > Considering the above, this is perhaps why I'm confused as to why "I am > > > your > > > god" seems to offend. I can understand that it makes an incredulous and > > > blasphemous claim, but I'm not able to see how that statement might be > > > describing your religious identity as an inferior state. > > > > > > To me, the statement was a playful joke that intended to convey to the > > > reader > > > that the rack was a corporeal entity trying to convince the reader that > > > they > > > were your new god and should be treated as such. I imagine that the > rack > > > could > > > be seen as one of Satan's tricks that attempt to lure you towards > > > disobeying > > > the first of the ten commandments. Considering that, if Satan himself > > > (with > > > all his terrible power) could only muster the strength to conjure a > test > > > of > > > faith in the form of a harmless wire rack, well, I think thats pretty > > > funny. > > > > > > In no way do I mean to come off as trivializing your concerns, I'm > merely > > > trying to understand the intricacies of a culture I am rather > unfamiliar > > > with. > > > > > > > Jesus willingly died that all who would repent and believe in His > name > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > be saved and live with Him forever. That is great news! Christians > are > > > > called to share that news. That means share not impose. We are not > > > > > > called > > > > > > > to go around worrying about how others are offending Christians. > That > > > > really would not help anyone. By speaking up all that I really > wanted > > > > > > was > > > > > > > to add religious preference to the list of things SYNHAK counts as > > > > worthy > > > > of respecting in others. > > > > > > > > I am all for an eggshell-free zone at SYNHAK. In an effort to > address > > > > potential future eggshell issues, let me say a few words about the > use > > > > of > > > > Jesus's name in ways that are > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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