On Friday, November 15, 2013 21:45:24 Seeley, Tim wrote: > Hi Torrie, > > Thanks for caring and asking to have a better understanding. Jesus died so > that I could be forgiven and restored to a relationship with Himself/God. > That makes His and mine relationship very personal for me. I am not > offended when others religious beliefs are different. Nor is it offensive > when those beliefs are written and posted. The portion of the note that > claimed the sales rack was a god gave no offence. The sign goes further by > saying "I (the sales rack) am your god". That is what made me wince.
Ok, right. I'm still not sure why it made you wince. I'm really not a christian in any sense, so I have no idea about anything. In my opinion, I don't think it is necessarily un-Excellent to say offensive words. What matters, is the intent of those words. Consider the phrase "wow thats gay". It could be interpreted either way. In one instance, it could be said by a close LGBT friend as a statement that something is in fact incredibly gay. Another instance would be with Ben's post earlier in the thread, where the word "gay" was used as a negative statement. The connotation there is that being gay is an inferior state. After all, shouldn't an organization of technically-minded people be able to run a mailing list or two without issue? Since that doesn't seem to be the case, they must be gay. Considering the above, this is perhaps why I'm confused as to why "I am your god" seems to offend. I can understand that it makes an incredulous and blasphemous claim, but I'm not able to see how that statement might be describing your religious identity as an inferior state. To me, the statement was a playful joke that intended to convey to the reader that the rack was a corporeal entity trying to convince the reader that they were your new god and should be treated as such. I imagine that the rack could be seen as one of Satan's tricks that attempt to lure you towards disobeying the first of the ten commandments. Considering that, if Satan himself (with all his terrible power) could only muster the strength to conjure a test of faith in the form of a harmless wire rack, well, I think thats pretty funny. In no way do I mean to come off as trivializing your concerns, I'm merely trying to understand the intricacies of a culture I am rather unfamiliar with. > > Jesus willingly died that all who would repent and believe in His name shall > be saved and live with Him forever. That is great news! Christians are > called to share that news. That means share not impose. We are not called > to go around worrying about how others are offending Christians. That > really would not help anyone. By speaking up all that I really wanted was > to add religious preference to the list of things SYNHAK counts as worthy > of respecting in others. > > I am all for an eggshell-free zone at SYNHAK. In an effort to address > potential future eggshell issues, let me say a few words about the use of > Jesus's name in ways that are not exactly prayers. Jesus loves all of us. > In the past I used His name in vain. He forgave me for that and way much > more when I repented. His word instructs me not to set myself up to judge > others on matters that are really only between them and God. I am just a > forgiven sinner ready to share with others that come to want to know how to > receive their own forgiveness. > > V/R > Tim Seeley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Torrie Fischer Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:10 PM > To: SYN/HAK discussion list > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] New mailing list: power-racing-series > > On Friday, November 15, 2013 14:21:38 Seeley, Tim wrote: > > I too am a not-yet-member, who is considering SYNHAK as a place to > > spend some time, meet some new people, learn some new skills, and work > > on my pet projects. I fully support the goal of respecting and being > > excellent to all regardless of the differences in how we choose to > > live out our personal lives. Therefore I would like to request two > > things. First that we add religious preference to the list of things > > we strive to respect about each other. Second that we remove the > > attempt at humor on the sales rack calling it a god. > > Respecting religious preferences of others is totally an Excellent thing. > > I'm not a christian, so I'm not really sure what is offensive about that > sign, or how it can be compared to using "gay" as a slur. Could you > elaborate? > > V/R > > Tim Seeley > > > > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of alex kot Sent: Friday, > > November 15, 2013 5:47 AM > > To: SYN/HAK discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] New mailing list: power-racing-series > > > > Thanks Torrie, Philip, and Xander for your input. Just to elaborate > > more onto this. Syn/Hak is a community for open minded individuals. > > The space does not condone to judging sexual preference, race, gender, > > and disabilities. By chance this was just one of those internet > > references that was not in context of judging someones sexual > > preference, be leery that everyone may not get those references. Try > > to be politically correct and most importantly respectful of other > > people, after all this is a public email listing. > > > > On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:38 PM, Alexander Golightley > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:coinspelunk@gma > > il.com<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Torrie, thank you. > > Seriously. I couldn't support your decision more than I do now. > > > > As another non-heteronormative member of the LGBT community, I deal > > with bigoted crap enough day to day. I don't need to deal with it in > > the organization I love so dearly. I think actions like this are the > > only way to show that this type of bigotry is unacceptable. I'm > > delighted to be part of an organization that feels the same way > > (although I am in no way surprised by this. I think very highly of the > > people involved in SYN/HAK.) > > > > -Xander > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Philip P. Patnode > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<ma > > ilto:[email protected]>>> wrote: TWIMC and Torrie Fischer, > > > > As an outsider and non-member, who is considering SYNHAK as a place to > > spend some time, meet some new people, learn some new skills, and work > > on my pet projects, I want to state that I fully support Torrie > > Fischer's reaction to the astonishing email from BL containing an > > obvious slur against a group of people who deserve to be treated as equals > > in all respects, at all times. > > > > Homophobic slurs are unwanted, unnecessary, embarrassing, and totally > > devoid of substance. Even one as silly as the one in BL's email reply > > - is out of place in our civilized society. Comments like that have > > no place in the organization and must be suppressed with prejudice > > immediately. > > > > I hope that the members of SYNHAK will agree with Torrie and support her. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > PPP > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Torrie Fischer > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:tdfischer > > @hackerbots.net<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:> > > On Thursday, November 14, 2013 20:28:58 Ben Lippincott wrote: > > > Ha! Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! > > > > Hello, friend. > > > > It seems that you have tried to introduce a smidgen of immature humor > > into a public mailing list. As a non-heteronormative member of the > > LGBT community, I must say that I am disgusted with your behavior. > > Thoroughly disgusted, in fact. I will admit this: SYNHAK is > > essentially a very large community of technical children who somehow > > managed to pull together enough collaborative effort to give birth to > > something wonderful in the City of Invention. > > > > Irrespective of that, we give each other the full respect that each of > > us is due. Using "gay" in such a manner shows a disappointing lack of > > respect from you. > > > > As Champion of SYNHAK, it is my duty to ensure that SYNHAK is > > constantly moving in a direction in accordance with our mission > > > > statement, which I've included here from our bylaws for reference: > > SYN/HAK provides an environment for people to educate, create, and > > > > share amongst themselves and others within the domains of technology, > > art and science. > > > > -- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/bylaws.pdf > > > > > > It is my belief that in order to secure such an environment, upholding > > the first rule of the space is of utmost important. Again, i've > > > > included it here for reference: > > 1. Be excellent to each other. > > > > -- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/space-rules.pdf > > > > With the powers vested in me as documented through our bylaws and > > given to me through my re-election to the position of SYNHAK Champion > > by the membership of this community, I hereby declare that you were > > not acting in accordance with our mission statement. That is to say, > > you are not acting Excellent. > > > > I recommend that you cease this behavior immediately. Do not pass go. > > Do not collect $200. Do not send another mail to this community or > > further action will be taken to exclude you and your behavior from it. > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, codex codices > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > I tried to subscribe and it says that I must enter a valid email > > > > address. > > > > Its the same address I use for the other mailing lists. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer > > > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>wrote: > > > >> Howdy, all. > > > >> > > > >> At the request of Devin, I've created a new list: > > > >> > > > >> [email protected]<mailto:power-racing-series@synhak<mail > > > >> to:[email protected]<mailto:power-racing-series@synhak>. > > > >> org> > > > >> > > > >> Subscribe here: > > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/power-racing-series > > > >> > > > >> It is intended for use in facilitating discussions about the > > > >> power wheel racing series project, aka the big pink Power Wheels > > > >> car and nearby tractor chassis in the front of the space. I've > > > >> added Devin as the primary list owner, with > > > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:sysadmin@synhak > > > >> .org<mailto:[email protected]>> as the backup. > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Discuss mailing list > > > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > >> g<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mai > > lto:[email protected]>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mai > > lto:[email protected]>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mai > > lto:[email protected]>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
