On 04/08/2014 10:01 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:

The problem is for more complicated scenarios it does not. Those more complicated scenarios are legitimate and always have been. Mailing lists are obviously a good example. Imposing DMARC into those scenarios breaks DMARC.

Or breaks mailing lists, depending upon how you look at it.

A simple question is whether the benefit of DMARC is sufficient -- and sufficiently clear -- to warrant such a dramatic reduction in the flexibility of email use?

Presumably Yahoo! has made an assessment that this is true for messages purporting to be from their domains. It may be that the reduction isn't so drastic.

Two distinct broader questions present themselves:

 * Is the same benefit sufficient to warrant a reduction - drastic or
   otherwise - in the flexibility of email use from the perspective of
   the entire email system.
 * What about from the perspective of other individual Domain Owners?
   This distinction is important because even if it's demonstrably not
   good for the email system as a whole, if senders of most email see
   it as beneficial for themselves, then they're likely to adopt anyway.


Note that DMARC restrictions apply to information that is typically not visible to end users -- most modern MUAs do not display the From: field address.

This is an important hole in the current understanding of DMARC's approach, however I'd suggest that it will increasingly be the case that:

 * this address,
 * whether its use was authenticated by DMARC for the current message, and
 * whether the domain - or even just address - is one that the receiver
   has reason to trust slightly more than an unfamiliar domain

will affect presentation to end-users. There will, of course, be a large number of users for whom this is not true, for a long time.

- Roland

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