Indeed, a lot of the discussion on this thread and the many other threads
on DMARC and MLMs over the past year have often seemed to be based the
assumption that email is working today and DMARC breaks it. Yet, in many
way email is not working today and hasn't been for some time. Today email
is the number one vector for initiating cyber-crime - this is very broken
situation.

While everyone wants to spew vile at Yahoo in many ways they made a simple
sensible decision. They knew full well what their reject policy would break
mailing lists but decided to value their users' safety above that.

Josh





On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Al Iverson <[email protected]>wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:15 AM, John Levine <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>You have perhaps pointed to a fairly elegant way for MLMs to deal with
> >>p=reject: ...
> >
> >>  * Just hitting reply no longer works of course, ...
> >
> > By breaking perfectly reasonable and useful features for everyone.
> > Please stop.
>
> Please continue! Trying new things is a first step in evolution of a
> process. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. You and we
> tend to learn from the experience regardless. Occasionally naysayers
> will respond and explain patiently and repeatedly that for the past 35
> years, email and lists have worked exactly a certain way and that this
> means they should not change. Don't listen to them; "because 1970s"
> isn't a valid reason to stand still.
>
> All the things I've tried at random and shared with the community --
> DNSBLs, RHSBLs, sample COI code, web tools, etc., have always had at
> least one person say "You should stop immediately because you don't
> know what you're doing." Even though they were sometimes right, I'm
> glad that I never listened to them.
>
> Cheers,
> Al Iverson
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