This band / mode business is not new.
I have a booklet, titled :MULTI BAND DXCC "INSTA-GRESS" (Permanent Dx
Record for all DX Awards).
This booklet is copyrighted in 1981.
This is an all paper pencil system, pre-date the Z80 Timex computer.
According to the manual pencil entries I worked 148 countries on 10
meter by June 6, 1981.
Also, I worked East Germany on every band from 10 to 80 and both Cw and
phone on each band.
So I guess, I am an early DX hog.
I love the on line log. No need for "insurance QSO".
73 Lou KE1F
On 6/6/2012 9:43 AM, Zack Widup wrote:
Good points, Dave. If a DX station is calling CQ and not getting any
answers (that he can hear) I would have no problem with calling them.
Also, the on-line logs most likely DO reduce a lot of traffic from
people who aren't sure they have worked them until they find the QSO
in the log. For the current A5A DXpedition, Jon KL2A has noted there
have been several pirates active. I even heard one myself, on 30
meters a week ago. Jon even posted a spot on packet that it was a
pirate while the pirate was operating!
I remember some years ago DJ5CQ (now an SK) did quite a few Pacific
operations. There were no on-line logs back then. I worked him twice
on a couple bands as insurance contacts. When I got my cards, he had
included a card with a funny-looking creature sketched on it that said
I had worked them more than once on a band and not to do that again.
73, Zack W9SZ
On 6/6/12, DAVE WHITE<mausop...@btinternet.com> wrote:
That's exactly what I do, Zack
Unless there's some organisational cock-up (on my part - I don't use a
computer log) then I'll work a DXpedition if possible once on each band and
once on each mode. I won't work them on a band/mode if I already have that
one confirmed. The thought process is specifically one of "if I work them
on xxx and I don't need it then that's someone else who's not able to work
them".
The only time I'll make an exception is if the DXpedition is calling CQ and
no-one is answering them
I think that G7VJR raises a good point. The presence of an online log stops
the temptation for insurance QSOs so in that sense it's good. The
propagation tools are always useful if like me you work long hours and have
to make use of small time slots for calling DX. But in truth I think that
ill-mannered selfish pigs will always be ill-mannered selfish pigs and
certain big gun DX Hogs (I could name them in G-land but of course won't)
will trample over others, calling and calling and trying to work a
Dxpedition on every band/slot whether or not there's a leader board online.
After all, they''ve been behaving like that for years anyway...
cheers
Dave G0OIL
----- Original Message -----
From: Zack Widup
To: dx-chat
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?
Someone has pointed out recently that for DXCC requirements, you could get
by with 9 QSO's which would cover 160 through 10 meters. You only need one
QSO each on CW, SSB and RTTY, so you could either fit them in amongst your 9
QSO's, or make a total of 11 QSO's to satisfy DXCC requirements.
The Leaderboards seem to be the things that are inspiring people to make
27 QSO's with the DX. I'm sure some of these stations that are coming out on
top of the leadeboards have worked some of these stations previously on some
of those band/modes, so it becomes mostly a thing of greed and ego.
73, Zack W9SZ
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV<w...@subich.com> wrote:
On 6/5/2012 4:39 PM, Ryan Jairam wrote:
I don't really buy that argument. In the last days of a DXpedition,
they're usually begging.
You obviously did not attempt to work 7O6T on RTTY. The Europeans
monopolized the few available RTTY band slots and even chased 7O6T
off RTTY many times in the last days of the DXpedition.
Quite simply, Leaderboards as currently structured encourage rampant
DX Hoggery and have no place in radiosport.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 6/5/2012 4:39 PM, Ryan Jairam wrote:
I don't really buy that argument. In the last days of a DXpedition,
they're usually begging.
Those who couldn't make a QSO probably couldn't make a QSO on a
completely clear band anyway. There is only so much you can work with
a dipole and 100 watts.
And finally, DXing is competitive.You can be a good sport but you
don't have to put yourself at a disadvantage to make others feel
better.
Ryan, N2RJ
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV<w...@subich.com>
wrote:
I think KQ8M's first comment in response to G7VJR's editorial is
on point. Clublog's "Leaderboards" should be modified to stop
counting at 11 "band slots." 11 (or 12 if the operation works
six meters) allows a station to work the operation on each band
plus pick up QSOs on CW, Digital, and voice.
Quite frankly, in spite of falling prey to the seduction of high
leaderboard numbers a time or two myself, anyone who shows up with
more than 14 or 15 band slots is simply a DX HOG. There is simply
no excuse for such behavior.
N1DG's presentation at Dayton clearly showed the DX HOGs do not
provide increased support (contributions with QSL) relative to
the number of band slots worked ... even the "more QSOs mean more
revenue" argument falls flat.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 6/5/2012 2:54 PM, Paul M Dunphy wrote:
G7VJR's point of view (ClubLog creator and T32C participant):
http://g7vjr.org/2012/06/expedition-leaderboards-good-or-bad/
73, Paul VE1DX
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