Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette (and Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female scientist I too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and especially the one recently posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and dismissive. There is considerable gender bias in the fields of ecology and biology and it is important to object to it whenever it arises; whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is easy to counsel "moving on" when you are unaffected by this handicap personally, but to say that it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to address on this listserv is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously damaging effect this bias has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me that the issue of gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills necessary for landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no coincidence.
Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics Professional Training and Development University of New Hampshire <http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/> http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability School of Undergraduate Studies (online) University of Maryland University College Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences Department of Liberal Arts New Hampshire Institute of Art "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein -----Original Message----- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julian Olden Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student’s Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Hi Yvette, Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). Let's all move on now. Cheers, Julian --- Julian D. Olden Freshwater Ecology & Conservation Lab School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 e: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected], t: (206) 616-3112 < <tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> w: <http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/> http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ skype: goldenolden "The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown aside, for it had a new story to tell every day." < Mark Twain On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, "Yvette Dickinson" < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: >Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's >list: >"7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, >especially, female, >applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know >or that cannot be readily >duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented..." > >This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find >abhorrent. I initially chose not >to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. > >However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told >to simply use your email >filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is >offensive. The concerns Chandreyee >raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and >respect they deserve. > >I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly >principle g. >"Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their >work on the basis of gender, >sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, >national origin, age, economic status, >disability, or organizational affiliation." > >Yvette Dickinson
