Exactly! We are now all feeding the troll. Let's talk about best strategies to be successful. I taught myself GIS after getting my PhD (which is in economics btw) and was very willing to collaborate, rip my writing to shreds and re-submit to end up with grant proposals that would be funded (note that English is not my native language). I did have a great boss who let me be a co-PI while I was a staff scientist at a research center, and that sense of responsibilities and rewards being aligned did help. It also helped that my boss was a woman who had children so when I had children myself I did not feel shunned. But the point is that those GIS and grant writing skills got me my tenure track job, because they gave me an edge over the next candidate. For people working in ecology, it is true that R has some terrific advantages, but if you work with people in geography (as I do), many of them use ArgGIS, so that is also a consideration...
Silvia On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Miguel Cañedo <mcanedo....@gmail.com> wrote: > Seems to me that you completely misunderstood Dr. Olden's e-mail, who (to > my understanding) just tried to help everyone to reject sexist comments > like the one originally posted. > > I am not saying that this kind of comments should not > be publicly disapproved, and probably just moving them into the spam folder > is not the best solution, but I really don't see why Dr. Olden should take > the blame for it when he was just trying to help. > > Best, Miguel. > > 2013/2/18 Leslie M. Adams <leslie.ad...@comcast.net> > >> Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette (and >> Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female scientist >> I >> too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and especially the one >> recently >> posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and dismissive. There is considerable >> gender bias in the fields of ecology and biology and it is important to >> object to it whenever it arises; whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is >> easy to counsel "moving on" when you are unaffected by this handicap >> personally, but to say that it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to >> address on this listserv is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously >> damaging effect this bias has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on >> me >> that the issue of gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills >> necessary for landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no >> coincidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. >> >> Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics >> >> Professional Training and Development >> >> University of New Hampshire >> >> <http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/> >> http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ >> >> Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 >> >> >> >> Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability >> >> School of Undergraduate Studies (online) >> >> University of Maryland University College >> >> >> >> Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences >> >> Department of Liberal Arts >> >> New Hampshire Institute of Art >> >> >> >> "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we >> created them." - Albert Einstein >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news >> [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Olden >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM >> To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU >> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student’s Guide to Neces sary >> Skills for Landing a Job >> >> >> >> Hi Yvette, >> >> >> >> Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided >> >> and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can >> >> ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a >> >> track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately >> >> your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very >> >> little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). >> >> Let's all move on now. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Julian >> >> --- >> >> Julian D. Olden >> >> Freshwater Ecology & Conservation Lab >> >> School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences >> >> University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 >> >> e: <mailto:ol...@uw.edu> ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 < >> <tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> >> >> w: <http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/> >> http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ >> >> skype: goldenolden >> >> >> >> "The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown >> >> aside, for it had a new story to tell every day." < Mark Twain >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, "Yvette Dickinson" < <mailto: >> yvette.dickin...@gmail.com> >> yvette.dickin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's >> >> >list: >> >> >"7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, >> >> >especially, female, >> >> >applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know >> >> >or that cannot be readily >> >> >duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented..." >> >> > >> >> >This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find >> >> >abhorrent. I initially chose not >> >> >to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. >> >> > >> >> >However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told >> >> >to simply use your email >> >> >filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is >> >> >offensive. The concerns Chandreyee >> >> >raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and >> >> >respect they deserve. >> >> > >> >> >I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly >> >> >principle g. >> >> >"Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their >> >> >work on the basis of gender, >> >> >sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, >> >> >national origin, age, economic status, >> >> >disability, or organizational affiliation." >> >> > >> >> >Yvette Dickinson >> > > > > -- > *Miguel Cañedo-Argüelles* > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Miguel_Canedo-Argueelles/ > > *Lytle Lab* > Cordley Hall > Oregon State University > Corvallis, Oregon (USA) 97331 > http://www.science.oregonstate.edu/lytlelab/?q=home > > *Freshwater Ecology and Management (F.E.M.) research group* > Departament d'Ecologia, Universitat Barcelona > Diagonal, 643 > 08028 BARCELONA > Catalonia, Spain > http://www.ub.edu/fem/ -- Silvia Secchi Assistant Professor, Energy and Environmental Policy, Department of Agribusiness Economics Co-Director, Environmental Resources & Policy Ph.D. Program Agriculture Building - Mailcode 4410 Southern Illinois University 1205 Lincoln Drive Carbondale, Illinois 62901 Phone:(618)453-1714 Fax: (618)453-1708 Vous avez beau ne pas vous occuper de politique, la politique s'occupe de vous tout de même. Charles Forbes de Montalembert The way we organize the modern American university fragments our knowledge badly. Not only are we divided by discipline, but we are divided by the methods that scholars use. Elinor Ostrom
