Or is it (sexist)? See: Bias Is Hurting Women in Science, Panel Reports http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/19/science/19women.html?_r=0
Five Years After an Incendiary Remark, Signs That Harvard Is More Welcoming to Women http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/harvard-2/ -----Original Message----- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jane Shevtsov Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gender issues Let's not forget that the original comment that triggered this whole discussion was made by a woman! I don't think it was intended to be sexist. It's not sexist to say, "In my experience, women tend to do X and would be better off doing Y". It may be accurate or inaccurate, but it's not sexist. Jane Shevtsov On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Leslie M. Adams <[email protected]>wrote: > Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette > (and Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female > scientist I too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and > especially the one recently posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and > dismissive. There is considerable gender bias in the fields of ecology > and biology and it is important to object to it whenever it arises; > whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is easy to counsel "moving on" > when you are unaffected by this handicap personally, but to say that > it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to address on this listserv > is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously damaging effect this bias > has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me that the issue of > gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills necessary for > landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no coincidence. > > > > > > Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. > > Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics > > Professional Training and Development > > University of New Hampshire > > <http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/> > http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ > > Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 > > > > Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability > > School of Undergraduate Studies (online) > > University of Maryland University College > > > > Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences > > Department of Liberal Arts > > New Hampshire Institute of Art > > > > "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used > when we created them." - Albert Einstein > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julian Olden > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student’s Guide to Neces > sary Skills for Landing a Job > > > > Hi Yvette, > > > > Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely > misguided > > and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you > can > > ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which > have a > > track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately > > your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very > > little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). > > Let's all move on now. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > --- > > Julian D. Olden > > Freshwater Ecology & Conservation Lab > > School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences > > University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 > > e: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected], t: (206) 616-3112 < > <tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> > > w: <http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/> > http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ > > skype: goldenolden > > > > "The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown > > aside, for it had a new story to tell every day." < Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, "Yvette Dickinson" < <mailto: > [email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in > >Clara's > > >list: > > >"7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many > >young, > > >especially, female, > > >applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already > >know > > >or that cannot be readily > > >duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented..." > > > > > >This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find > > >abhorrent. I initially chose not > > >to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. > > > > > >However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be > >told > > >to simply use your email > > >filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is > > >offensive. The concerns Chandreyee > > >raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and > > >respect they deserve. > > > > > >I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, > >particularly > > >principle g. > > >"Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of > >their > > >work on the basis of gender, > > >sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, > > >national origin, age, economic status, > > >disability, or organizational affiliation." > > > > > >Yvette Dickinson > -- ------------- Jane Shevtsov, Ph.D. Mathematical Biology Curriculum Writer, UCLA co-founder, www.worldbeyondborders.org "Those who say it cannot be done should not interfere with those who are doing it." --attributed to Robert Heinlein, George Bernard Shaw and others
