Dear all, I was not at all offended by Dr. Olden's advice, and, as a matter of fact, found it very sensible.
Thanks Chandreyee On Feb 18, 2013, at 13:40, "Leslie M. Adams" <leslie.ad...@comcast.net> wrote: > Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette (and > Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female scientist I > too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and especially the one recently > posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and dismissive. There is considerable > gender bias in the fields of ecology and biology and it is important to > object to it whenever it arises; whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is > easy to counsel "moving on" when you are unaffected by this handicap > personally, but to say that it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to > address on this listserv is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously > damaging effect this bias has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me > that the issue of gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills > necessary for landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no > coincidence. > > > > > > Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. > > Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics > > Professional Training and Development > > University of New Hampshire > > <http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/> > http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ > > Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 > > > > Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability > > School of Undergraduate Studies (online) > > University of Maryland University College > > > > Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences > > Department of Liberal Arts > > New Hampshire Institute of Art > > > > "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we > created them." - Albert Einstein > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news > [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Olden > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student’s Guide to Neces sary > Skills for Landing a Job > > > > Hi Yvette, > > > > Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided > > and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can > > ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a > > track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately > > your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very > > little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). > > Let's all move on now. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > --- > > Julian D. Olden > > Freshwater Ecology & Conservation Lab > > School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences > > University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 > > e: <mailto:ol...@uw.edu> ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 < > <tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> > > w: <http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/> > http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ > > skype: goldenolden > > > > "The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown > > aside, for it had a new story to tell every day." < Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, "Yvette Dickinson" < <mailto:yvette.dickin...@gmail.com> > yvette.dickin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's > >> list: > >> "7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, > >> especially, female, > >> applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know > >> or that cannot be readily > >> duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented..." > > >> This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find > >> abhorrent. I initially chose not > >> to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. > > >> However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told > >> to simply use your email > >> filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is > >> offensive. The concerns Chandreyee > >> raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and > >> respect they deserve. > > >> I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly > >> principle g. > >> "Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their > >> work on the basis of gender, > >> sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, > >> national origin, age, economic status, > >> disability, or organizational affiliation." > > >> Yvette Dickinson
