I suggest that people should wait to hear from DISA before anyone starts engaging in speculation or worries about whether or not they are going to be approached for copyright violation. I also suggest that we should hear from DISA directly, and not second or third hand.
Mike ----------------------------------------- Michael C. Rawlins, Rawlins EC Consulting www.rawlinsecconsulting.com Earl Wertheimer wrote: > Bob > > Correct. > I'm in a worse position, since I write translators. > > XML is looking better all the time... > > I will contact DISA and ANSI and ask for a clarification. > > > > Priority: normal > To: <[email protected]> > From: "Bob Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date sent: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:59:26 -0500 > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] EDI documentation / spec software > > >> >> If I understand this correctly, I am in copyright violation if I >> manually create an implementation guideline for any transaction set >> without buying some table data from someone? >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Earl Wertheimer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:40 AM >> To: Jesse Sightler; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] EDI documentation / spec software >> >> Jesse >> >> I'm not as optimistic as you are. >> >> Adobe has a royalty-free license for people writing .PDF tools. By >> making the license free and giving Acrobat Reader away, they really made >> their file format very popular. >> >> I know there are some X12 committee members here. I would really like >> to know what is planned... >> >> >> >> >> To: "Earl Wertheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Copies to: [email protected] >> From: "Jesse Sightler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date sent: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:36:27 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] EDI documentation / spec software >> >> >>> That sounds like it is in reference to the specs itself, rather than >>> necessarily tools that work with it (though, there would certainly be >>> >> some >> >>> overlap). >>> >>> I wish the standard were more open. >>> >>> On 12/11/07, Earl Wertheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been told that "people cannot copy and enter X12 data into >>>> >> other >> >>>> products or on paper and redistribute those guidelines unless they >>>> >> buy >> >>>> table >>>> data or software from companies who have purchased it. Rekeying X12 >>>> >> data >> >>>> and >>>> distributing it externally without buying the table data or software >>>> >> from >> >>>> a >>>> company that has purchased it like Foresight, Edifecs, or GEFEG is a >>>> violation >>>> of DISA IPR." >>>> >>>> I did a bit of research on the X12 site and found the following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >> http://www.x12.org/x12org/subcommittees/x12PDFMinutes/0706stcom_grm_draf >> t.pdf >> >>>> "discussion on a proposed X12 metadata licensing program. This >>>> program would be a non-dues revenue source through license fees for >>>> non-members >>>> who use ASC X12 metadata to produce their products. Non-member >>>> >> categories >> >>>> include end-user, meta-data user, service provider, end developer >>>> >> and >> >>>> software >>>> developer. If the licensing program is approved, DISA will send >>>> >> letters to >> >>>> potential licensees asserting that the companies or individuals have >>>> violated >>>> X12.s intellectual property rights and must cease and desist unless >>>> >> the >> >>>> organization/individual becomes a licensee." >>>> >>>> "A motion was made, seconded and approved to create a detailed X12 >>>> meta-data >>>> licensing program. The document would include a sample letter, >>>> >> suggested >> >>>> prices >>>> and a listing of the potential population to pursue. The document >>>> >> must >> >>>> include >>>> a detailed description of how the program would work. 8-approved, >>>> 0-opposed and >>>> 1-abstained." >>>> >>>> Mike, John... any comments? >>>> >>>> Is X12 going to force programmers who develop X12 tools to pay a >>>> >> licencing >> >>>> fee? >>>> >>>> This came up when I replied to Lowell, who was looking for EDI >>>> >> specs. >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] <EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: >>>>> >>>> [email protected] <EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf >>>> >>>>> Of Earl Wertheimer >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:12 AM >>>>> To: Lowell Porter; [email protected] <EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] EDI documentation / spec software >>>>> >>>>> Lowell >>>>> >>>>> You can use anything from Notepad to Excel. I've seen lots of >>>>> >>>> formats. >>>> >>>>> As long as it's readable and clear, why worry. >>>>> >>>>> We have links to hundreds of online specs at >>>>> http://spe-edi.com/links.html >>>>> >>>>> Just find something similar and make a copy... >>>>> >>>>> What docs are you looking for? Perhaps someone can email you an >>>>> existing document... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: <[email protected] <EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com>> >>>>> From: "Lowell Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >> <lporter%40hdsmith.com>> >> >>>>> Date sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:05:22 -0600 >>>>> Subject: [EDI-L] EDI documentation / spec software >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am in need of software that helps me generate specs that I can >>>>>> give >>>>>> >>>>> to my >>>>> >>>>>> trading partners. I know such software exists but am unsure >>>>>> >> where to >> >>>>> look. >>>>> >>>>>> The only thing I could find was EDISIM, but that is too >>>>>> >> expensive >> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>> does >>>>> >>>>>> more than I need it to. Is there anything else out there? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lowell >>>>>> >>>> Earl Wertheimer >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <earlw%40spe-edi.com> >>>> http://www.spe-edi.com >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ... >>> Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: >>> >> <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> >> >>> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: >>> >> <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix. >> >>> Yahoo! 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