Not true. You're wrong, and you're just trying to obfuscate the point.
As I said, I don't have a K4 on order, but if I did have one on order
and was given a clear projection that I could count on, at least I'd
have what I needed to make an informed decision and I'd be satisfied
with that. Those who have invested in the K4 don't have that.
Dave AB7E
On 3/30/2021 4:13 PM, Ray wrote:
Maybe Eric should just say……..
Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
I am sure You would *not Accept or be Happy Either !*
Ray WA6VAB K3
*From: *David Gilbert <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM
*To: *Hal Massey <mailto:[email protected]>
*Cc: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been
following the posts here on the reflector.
Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for
your money back" to be sound business practice. It certainly wouldn't
have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
Dave AB7E
On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be
> sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to
> anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up
> have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the
> communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of
>> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their
>> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly
>> leveraged upside that your story did. There isn't the same
>> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack
>> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I
>> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication
>> on the delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find
>> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he
>> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on
>> actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4,
>> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k
>>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I
>>> can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I
>>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru
>>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new
>>> product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if
>>> they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees
>>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked
>>> very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me
>>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a
>>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to
>>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that
>>> day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R&D team
>>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions
>>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million)
>>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the
>>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of
>>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential
>>> disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very
>>> smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On
>>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear
>>> something official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've
>>> heard much of anything. I would like to know if I can expect my
>>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of
>>> getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will
>>> have to wait another year. I could have asked much the same
>>> question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there
>>> would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, when I
>>> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be
>>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
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