>The toolbar can be hidden--that's what the oval button on the top right 
>is for.  Further, in almost every application, it can be customized.
placed in a location which in the previous (and ALL previous) versions 
the window sizing widgets were located.

>Further, redundancy is not bad.  It gives you a choice of how to do 
>things, and has been with the Mac from day one in one form or another.  
>Command keys are a redundancy to the menus.  Floating tool bars, such 
>as in Emailer, are another.
redundancy *may* not be bad - implementation and functionality are 2 
prime determinates

key equivelnts are *not* redundancy - as they do not cause to exist, nor 
function on different occurances of an object.  ex:  "command v" does not 
bring into existance, nor operate on an item (object) seperate from the 
edit menu function 'paste'.

The toolbar does exactly that.  It causes to exist a duplicate, 
extraneous, object - in most cases using screen 'real estate' to dupliate 
an existing function (most often already) in the primary menu bar.  
Additionally - there would be no need for a 'toolbar' had apple left the 
'Apple menu' alone.  As it provided EXACTLY this functionality - a user 
customizable menu - that DOES NOT take screen 'real estate', and can 
house any number of functions - most of which *would not* duplicate other 
existing functionality.  again ex: the 'view' button object for the tool 
bar duplicates - inexactly - the primary menubar functionality of the 
view menu, as the menu bar functionality is greater (various options for 
sorting, and icon size etc) than the toolbar button.

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Chip Scheide Systems Coordinator
Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh

"And as a man, who is attached to a prostitute, 
is unfitted to choose or judge of a wife, so any 
prepossession in favour of a rotten constitution of 
government will will disable us from descerning a good one."
        Thomas Paine - Common Sense,  Feb 14 1776


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