On Tuesday 02 July 2013 19:55:44 Dave did opine: > A lot of industrial "open" standards are like that.. Send us $495 and > we will give you the open standards/interface > specifications/protocol/sample source code, etc. > > So "Open" does not necessarily mean free. > > I wonder how they came up with $32 ? That seems like an odd amount. > > Dave > You can charge a reasonable copying fee?
> On 7/2/2013 4:31 PM, Ian McMahon wrote: > > Not sure lasersaur is a great example of "open" development, when > > their model is "give us $32 and we'll give you our 'open' source" > > > > On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Charles Steinkuehler<char...@steinkuehler.net> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I am referring to the RepRap 3D printer crowd, as well as people > >> building things like the Lasersaur: > >> > >> http://labs.nortd.com/lasersaur/ > >> > >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nortd/lasersaur-open-source-laser > >> -cutter-0 > >> > >> I do not mean "maker" as a general term for people who make things, > >> but "maker" as in the maker-space / hacker-space movement. > >> > >> On 7/2/2013 2:47 PM, EBo wrote: > >>> I would have to disagree with the "...but in the maker community, > >>> being open-source isn't a plus, it's more like a minimum barrier > >>> for entry." I have never seen this at all. Where did you run into > >>> this? The only people I have run into that had a problem with it > >>> wanted to sell machines without even providing their > >>> configurations, and that was not in the maker community but > >>> industrial. > >>> > >>> On Jul 2 2013 10:32 AM, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: On 7/2/2013 > >>> > >>> 11:05 AM, Steve Stallings wrote: > >>>>>> <snip> Thanks Seb, this is concrete progress. I would like > >>>>>> for the current efforts at improvement of developer support > >>>>>> and governance to be more visible. How do people feel about > >>>>>> showing more current events on the main web page, and how > >>>>>> would we go about it? > >>> > >>> +1 Concrete Progress > >>> > >>> I just wanted to chime in and comment a bit on "open", as it > >>> relates both to the developer community and the source code. > >>> > >>> When I asked what people liked best about LinuxCNC recently, the > >>> overwhelming #1 response boiled down to "it's open-source". I can > >>> understand this perspective from the machine-control side of > >>> things, but in the maker community, being open-source isn't a plus, > >>> it's more like a minimum barrier for entry. > >>> > >>> In addition to conventional open-source software, there are now > >>> open hardware designs: > >>> > >>> http://www.oshwa.org/ > >>> > >>> ....a "fair-share" program that strives to pay some back to the > >>> community that built the open designs currently being used as a > >>> basis for new designs: > >>> > >>> http://openbuildspartstore.com/fairshare-program/ > >>> > >>> ...and maker community individuals have even started some grass > >>> roots "pay-it-forward" programs (I've printed two complete sets of > >>> parts to give away as part of this effort): > >>> > >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/deltabot/y7wvHSm7ASI > >>> > >>> > >>> Anyway, I just wanted to emphasize folks coming from the maker > >>> community will expect "Open with a capital O" and make sure > >>> everyone here was aware of the open-source hardware movement. In > >>> fact, almost *EVERYTHING* related to my 3D printer is completely > >>> open-source (hardware and software), including: > >>> > >>> * The printer design itself, including the custom printed and > >>> laser cut parts required to build it. > >>> > >>> * The Arduino board that was it's original 'brain' > >>> > >>> * The RAMPS board used to drive motors with the Arduino > >>> > >>> * The firmware running on the Arduino to control the printer > >>> > >>> * The PC side software to communicate with the Arduino > >>> > >>> * LinuxCNC, which I now have driving my printer > >>> > >>> * The BeagleBone controller board which is now my printer's > >>> 'brain' > >>> > >>> ...in fact, just about everything on my 3D printer but the > >>> integrated circuits and the BeBoPr driver board is fully open. > >>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ----------- > >> > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > >>>> Build for Windows Store. > >>>> > >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > >>>> _______________________________________________ Emc-developers > >>>> mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------- > >> > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > >>> Build for Windows Store. > >>> > >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > >>> _______________________________________________ Emc-developers > >>> mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > >> > >> - -- > >> Charles Steinkuehler > >> char...@steinkuehler.net > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) > >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAlHTMP4ACgkQLywbqEHdNFzcKQCgoyLRg0yRw8A+SnXUxIzeCXwb > >> G2QAoPt3OkLemNoR4bTN5bWkeJO3JXQS > >> =ED0L > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --------- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > >> > >> Build for Windows Store. > >> > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Emc-developers mailing list > >> Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > > > Build for Windows Store. > > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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