Ok.  I have a disagreement here.  Zeiss is still well known.  Ask an
Astronomer or Astorphotprgapher, a hunter, a bird watcher, a biotech
worker... most will know Zeiss instantly.  Try it.  You will be surprised.

The big shock for most is that they can actually afford the lenses... or at
least some.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mat Hayashibara
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 3:39 PM
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Subject: Re: EOS Where are the rumours?

At 03:55 AM 7/30/2004 +0200, you wrote:
>PS: don't forget that a large amount of Contax users will originate
>from the old days, where 'Zeiss' was still the only thing worthwile,
>apart from Leica....it's probably just as much a generation-shift
>than a technology-shift.

I suspect the vast majority of the people that understood what Zeiss-Ikon 
was, what Voigtlander and Rollei were, and that there was once a mighty 
German camera industry, are no longer with us. What is left is getting 
fewer every day. I don't seem to have a lot of trouble finding user 
blackdial Contax IIa rangefinders in around-$200 range. That really is a 
kind of tragedy. :-(

Early Kiev rangefinders (Contax in everything but the name) can be found 
for less than $100.

Heck, I remember the pre-Kyocera Yashica (Minister and Lynx rangefinders, 
Yashicamat TLR's) and the people who appreciate those are few and far 
between... the prices being asked reflect that.  

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