$ please understand i have no whatsoever background of philosophy, so
please make your explanations as clear as if you're talking to a
dickhead (maybe i am indeed)

$ i was just bored & decided to read something that i've never read
before. somehow i ended up at
(1) http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology/
(2) http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-analysis/

$ in matter of minutes, i *saw* the ghost of Plato laughing, then
saying "get lost, dumbass"
> i have a couple of questions, here's one

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I. diff between evidentialism & reliabilism (as theory of
justification)
$ evidentialism: for a belief to be justified, the believer must
possess evidence that allows her to be in a mental state that
represents the belief as being true
> (1) gives some examples, 1 of them is "if the coffe in your cup tastes sweet 
> to you, then you have evidence for believing that the coffee is sweet"
> then (1) says that evidence consists of perceptual, introspective, memorial, 
> intuitional experiences

$ (1) says that relibilism asserts that a belief is justified iff it's
produced from reliable cognitive process
> (1) also emphasizes that a belief is justified by the reliability of its 
> cognitive origin, not the possession of evidence that supports it

> it gives me an impression that a belief can be produced & then justified 
> without possessing evidence, while i thought, let alone justification, even 
> just producing a belief requires possession of evidence


$ according to my *common sense*, a belief is produced 'after' /
'before' having evidence

1. belief after evidence
$ for instance, i order a particular type of coffee & have it served
right in from of me, then i suddenly *have* a belief "the coffee is
sweet". now how is this belief formed? i tend to think to have prior
experiences, such as

a. someone has told me that that particular type of coffee is sweet
(testimony + memory)
b. i saw the coffee-guy put much sugar into the coffee (visual
perception)
c. i remember having that type of coffee before, in the same coffee
shop (memory + perception)

> all count as evidence, if i find them reliable, then my belief is justified, 
> if not, then i get more evidences through ones that i find reliable, such as 
> tasting


$ for beliefs such as "3 is more than 4" / "whole is greater than any
of its parts", i admit that is hard to find experiences like the
above, but if i take intuition / innate knowledge to be a cognition,
then i can include such beliefs as ones that are formed after having
evidence

$ gee, after i lay it like this, it's more like discovering belief /
bringing belief to consciousness, rather than producing


2. belief before evidence
$ on the other hand, i find it hard to imagine how i can come to the
belief "the coffee is sweet" without prior evidences, it's more likely
that the question "is it sweet?" pops into my mind

$ i think beliefs that are formed this way are ones that arise due to
psychological factors, such as desire, prejudice, etc
> i usually avoid justifying such beliefs because frankly i don't know what to 
> make out of them
> i believe trying to justify them is dangerous due to all the biases that 
> psychology has / will found, & this belief is justified by the reliability of 
> my memory for this particular case (ie. i've had alot of bad experience on 
> such belief)


$ so my conclusions are
1. in either case, to justify a belief, i need to have evidences,
prior ones are used to form the belief, posterior ones are used to
bring the probability of the belief being true up to my satisfaction /
std
2. beliefs that are *worthwhile* are almost always formed after having
evidence (ignore this if you find it offensive)


$ now, what i'm asking is can i safely conclude that reliabilism
explicates evidentialism by requiring the cognitive faculties from
which evidences are acquired to be reliable, ie. reliabilism filters
evidences, discarding ones that come from unreliable origins?
> if i'm right, then what are cognitive faculties that are usually considered 
> to be unreliable, ie. ones that are accepted by evidentialists but not 
> reliabilists? my best bet is that they're the psychological factors like the 
> above
> if i'm wrong, then what is the correct interpretation of the "producing 
> belief from reliable cognition"? & please give example

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