On Nov 18, 8:04 pm, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > On Nov 17, 6:57 pm, kedra marbun <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Nov 17, 8:26 pm, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Take a dream for example. You can believe that you are > > > late for a train when in fact there is no evidence, no memory, no > > > perception, no testimony, etc. I think that belief is part of the > > > phenomenology of cognition, just a relatively fixed semantic > > > orientation from which thought can be projected out from. The belief > > > in the dream train is implicit as your feelings of anxiety and > > > thoughts of racing to catch it, disappointment in missing it, etc are > > > the active sensorimotive experiences. > > > isn't this an example of psychologically caused belief? > > How can you tell the difference subjectively, and why would it matter?
well for this particular case i simply deduce it from your premises 1. "no evidence, no memory, no perception, no testimony, etc" 2. "The belief in the dream train is implicit as your feelings of anxiety and thoughts of racing to catch it, disappointment in missing it, etc". i take it as desire but, as i've already said i see your point that causality of belief is complex but, classifying the methods in which beliefs are formed & in which justifying evidences are acquired, into at least reliable & not, is important because otherwise i'd not be able to differentiate between evidentialism & reliabilism i think an easy way out of this discussion is presenting your interpretations of the 2 ism, particulary the definition of 'evidence' according to evidentialism > > i agree that for most cases, figuring out the causes & their > > interactions in forming a belief is hard / even impossible, but it's > > not important for what i'm trying to get at. what matters is the fact > > that belief has cause(s), because then i can interpret reliabilism as > > clarifying evidentialism > > But the belief may be the cause in the first place. Whatever the > thinker thinks, the prover proves. Evidence can be manufactured after > the fact. indeed, i don't exclude the possibility of a belief to be caused by other beliefs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
