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9. [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream vs density altitude
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From: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
Tom,
There is nothing better (IMHO) than cross-country at 2,000 AGL with the
canopy open! I live just north of Atlanta and have traveled from
northern Virginia to southwest Florida. I'd love nothing better than
the time (and $) to take it to Alaska.
Roy 415-C
Woodstock, GA
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Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
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Greetings all -
Before I plunge in and commit myself to finding and buying a 'Coupe,
I'd
like to get some feedback on an idea I've had for many years.
After retirement, fly (slow and low) coast to coast, over a couple of
months, visiting family, friends, and former students.
Any reason this could/should not be done in an Ercoupe?
Has anyone done *long* cross countries in an Ercoupe?
This has been a dream of mine for many years, and I'm afraid I'm
catching
the 'Coupe bug really bad. Unfortunately this ol' retired teacher
can't
afford a "big" plane.
Tom
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From: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
Gentlemen::
If you want to fly Ercoupes/Aircoupes for long distances, fill em' up with
fuel, give the wife a kiss, and point the nose in the direction you want
to
go upon pattern departure!
As humans we have an inexhaustible supply of memory and we can expand our
horizons at will, as we progress on our trip 250 to 300 miles at a time we
re-inform ourselves with new information at every stop, and we keep on
going. soon we are at our goal, and we did it! Of course, individually,
we
are the only ones who can grasp the enormity of our accomplishment, but
that's what it's all about. The Ercoupe will take you anywhere.
Wayne Woollard
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From: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:45 AM
Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
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Tom,
There is nothing better (IMHO) than cross-country at 2,000 AGL with the
canopy open! I live just north of Atlanta and have traveled from
northern Virginia to southwest Florida. I'd love nothing better than
the time (and $) to take it to Alaska.
Roy 415-C
Woodstock, GA
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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
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Greetings all -
Before I plunge in and commit myself to finding and buying a 'Coupe,
I'd
like to get some feedback on an idea I've had for many years.
After retirement, fly (slow and low) coast to coast, over a couple of
months, visiting family, friends, and former students.
Any reason this could/should not be done in an Ercoupe?
Has anyone done *long* cross countries in an Ercoupe?
This has been a dream of mine for many years, and I'm afraid I'm
catching
the 'Coupe bug really bad. Unfortunately this ol' retired teacher
can't
afford a "big" plane.
Tom
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From: "Bill Stevick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Bill Stevick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
One of my favorite flights is from NJ to Oskosh at 2000agl with the
windows
down.
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From: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
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Gentlemen::
If you want to fly Ercoupes/Aircoupes for long distances, fill em' up
with
fuel, give the wife a kiss, and point the nose in the direction you want
to
go upon pattern departure!
As humans we have an inexhaustible supply of memory and we can expand our
horizons at will, as we progress on our trip 250 to 300 miles at a time
we
re-inform ourselves with new information at every stop, and we keep on
going. soon we are at our goal, and we did it! Of course, individually,
we
are the only ones who can grasp the enormity of our accomplishment, but
that's what it's all about. The Ercoupe will take you anywhere.
Wayne Woollard
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From: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:45 AM
Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
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Tom,
There is nothing better (IMHO) than cross-country at 2,000 AGL with the
canopy open! I live just north of Atlanta and have traveled from
northern Virginia to southwest Florida. I'd love nothing better than
the time (and $) to take it to Alaska.
Roy 415-C
Woodstock, GA
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
>
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> advice in this forum.]----
>
>
> Greetings all -
>
> Before I plunge in and commit myself to finding and buying a 'Coupe,
I'd
> like to get some feedback on an idea I've had for many years.
>
> After retirement, fly (slow and low) coast to coast, over a couple of
> months, visiting family, friends, and former students.
>
> Any reason this could/should not be done in an Ercoupe?
>
> Has anyone done *long* cross countries in an Ercoupe?
>
> This has been a dream of mine for many years, and I'm afraid I'm
catching
> the 'Coupe bug really bad. Unfortunately this ol' retired teacher
can't
> afford a "big" plane.
>
> Tom
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From: "Darick Gundy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Fred Lamkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Darick Gundy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] FBO rip off warning
I missed the "Comments" button too because I didn't scroll to the right
of the screen. So just make sure you're looking at the far right of the
screen, by using the horizontal scroll bar if necessary. Not all
computer software will show the whole screen.
Darick
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From: Fred Lamkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:31 PM
To: Bill Stevick
Cc: flyin
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Go toward the bottom of the page under Avation Businesses, Services, and
Facilities. Look on the right end of the information under Comments and
click on the view word and it will show the comments. I also notice
Louisville Aviation has an add on the KSDF site. Must mean they know
KSDF problems.
Fred
I just went to the airnav site and couldnt find any posted info. What
link do you click to find the page of posts?
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From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cflyin"
<[email protected]>
Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
Excellent post by Ed B. If it isn't on his personal Website, it should
be - just as written here.
Don Bowen
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]>
Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006
21:08:03 -0500> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm
before following any advice in this forum.]----> > > > > Tom,> > You've
picked well for an aircraft in which it's fun to see the country.> That
is, if you are doing it solo or, if you are both thin, with a friend.> >
I flew my Coupe from Iowa to Minden, Nevada, then to the ocean southwest
of> Portland, Oregon. Flying through the Columbia River Gorge, I then
flew up> to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, then to Glacier National Park, up to
the Canadian> Border and back to Iowa.> > I flew from Iowa to Connecticut
once and Pennsylvania once. A side trip> from Connecticut was to
Martha's Vineyard.> > Going south, I've just gone down several times to
Oklahoma and Arkansas,> north up into Minnesota, Northern Wisconsin and
Oshkosh.> > Southeast, I flew down to Sun-N-Fun.> > All this in my
Coupe.> > I had an extreme climb prop on my C-85 that lowered my cruise
speed but made> climbing high over the mountains a lot easier. Now days,
some people or> putting in the STC'd O-200 crank in their C-85 or
installing an actual O-200> engine.> > I would not recommend mountain
flying in a Coupe without a climb prop or> upgraded engine.> > I like to
cruise high when the thermals get going on the Great Plains or,>
expecially, in the Intermountain West. When it's possible to cruise
above> the thermals, it's cool and smooth but sometimes, especially out
west, the> thermals go higher than Coupes. That's when you fly from
morning twilight> till 10:30 or a bit, then you play tourist and go to
bed early.> > I loved travelling in my Coupe. I think you will, too.> >
Here's a link to the article Percy Wood mentioned.>
http://jimsladesairlines.com/rothenberg.html > > Alan Rothenberg went
around the outside of the U.S., trying to land at the> most extremely far
out airport in each corner. That's a great adventure I'd> like to do
sometime.> > Have fun flying and please let us know about your trips!> >
Ed Burkhead> http://edburkhead.com > ed -at- edburkhead???.com
(change -at- to @ and remove "???")> > > > > >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
I love my Ercoupe and don't ever regret buying it. I am also stretching my
cross country legs, hoping to do long x countries soon.
Having said that, I need to point out to a required reality check: Weight
and
balance, which can become an issue if your dream x country adventure
includes
a passenger.
If you are a private pilot, and you do not foresee problems in renewing
your
medical, you should go for a 415-D or any of the Ercoupe variants that has
a
higher gross weight. That will leave more useful weight available for a
passenger and significant fuel.
On the other side, if you are a private pilot and foresee any difficulty
in
the future with renewing your medical, you can just let it expire and
operate
under sport pilot privileges. In that case you must buy a 415-C.
I am a sport pilot, limited to a 415-C with it's 1260 lb max gross. Flying
alone with full fuel is OK. When taking a passenger, I am limited to less
than
full fuel, which would require many, frequent, stops in a long cross
country.
Just one of many factors to consider before you buy.
Best regards & hope you join us soon
Eliacim Cortes
N87071
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Greetings all -
Before I plunge in and commit myself to finding and buying a 'Coupe, I'd
like
to get some feedback on an idea I've had for many years.
After retirement, fly (slow and low) coast to coast, over a couple of
months,
visiting family, friends, and former students.
Any reason this could/should not be done in an Ercoupe?
Has anyone done *long* cross countries in an Ercoupe?
This has been a dream of mine for many years, and I'm afraid I'm catching
the
'Coupe bug really bad. Unfortunately this ol' retired teacher can't
afford a
"big" plane.
Tom
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From: "Charles Reno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Ed Burkhead"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Cflyin" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Charles Reno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
Happy Birthday, Marv.
Thanks for your help in keeping Reg 13 alive and many coupes flying
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From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "flyin" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
Eliacim wrote:
I am a sport pilot, limited to a 415-C with it's 1260 lb max gross.
Flying alone with full fuel is OK. When taking a passenger, I am
limited to less than full fuel, which would require many, frequent,
stops in a long cross country. TRUE, and many Coupers do not know
what their airplanes weigh. One cannot depend on old w & b figures,
since our birds tend to "grow" over the years. My ALON has a max gw
of 1450, but the listed empty gw (now corrected in my logs) was 35-40
lbs less than what it is now, despite replacing the starter and
generator with lighter units. I attribute the weight gain to paint -
the bird has been painted three times (including the factory new
paint) and I'm sure the airplane was not completely stripped between
coats. Weighing a Coupe isn't all that difficult or expensive. I'm
told it just requires three scales (?). My personal gw is 215 lbs
(it, too has grown over the years, but not from paint). Add a full
fuel load @ 148 lbs, a passenger weighing 100 lbs, and I'm at my max
TO gw - 1450 lbs - with no luggage. And , this is with a C-90
equipped airplane with 190 lbs more carrying capacity than Elciam's
415-C. I also have a (compromise) climb/cruise prop. As Ed Burkhead
and others have pointed out, this is serious business. Inattention to
our limitations could be deadly, particularly out West in
mountainous terrain. Take the first step - get your airplane weighed!
DON
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From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "flyin" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream vs density altitude
Another important consideration in purchasing a Coupe intended for cross
country travel, even with a small friend, is that the max gw for takeoff
figures are for Standard Day Sea Level Conditions. That can become VERY
significant when attempting to takeoff from a high elevation airport.
Several years ago I purchased a MAULE COMET, with 180 hp Lycoming engine.
I was at Jackon Hole, Wyoming (elev 6451'). I had a buddy with me. We were
careful to calculate the w & b prior to our flight back to Florida, and
even removed some misc, parts, clothes, laundry, etc., from our baggage
compartment and had them shipped home the day prior to our flight. We
then went to the airfield early on a bitter cold morning. The airplane had
been hangared overnight. We started up, warmed up the engine while
taxiing, did our mag and other checks ,and took position on the North
runway, 6300' as I recall. When the Jackson Hole tower granted our
requested Special VFR departure and cleared us for takeoff heading for
Yellowstone, I ran up the engine and adjusted the mixture to give us peak
power (we did have an EGT gauge) - even at that, our Density Altitude
reduced our engine power by as much as 20%. Our initial rate of climb was
"pretty puny" for 180 hp - maybe only 500-600 fpm. After flying/climbing
through some light snow, and finding (or making) a hole, we turned East
and climbed in a pass to 11,500 ft, between 14,000 ft mountains on each
side. It was an interesting and educational trip back to Florida. My point
here is ...consider this situation with an 85 hp engine, a warmer day and
a cruise prop ! Sure, the MAULE had an empty gw around 1550, and a max gw
around 2500 lbs, but it carried 420 lbs of occupants, another 420 lbs of
fuel, and some light baggage, so we were at max gw on our takeoff, but the
OAT and the on-ground mixture adustments kept us out of the trees.
DON
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From: "Wood, Percy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"flyin" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Wood, Percy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream vs density altitude
All take off, and other performance figures, for all airplanes, Don, are
given for Standard Day. And every pilot needs to know that by heart:
* Sea level as you mentioned
* 59 degrees F. temperature
* 50 % humidity
* 29.94 inches of mercury barometric pressure
* no wind, of course.
Percy in NM, USA
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From: DONALD BOWEN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:22 PM
To: flyin
Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream vs density altitude
Another important consideration in purchasing a Coupe intended for cross
country travel,
even with a small friend, is that the max gw for takeoff figures are
for Standard Day Sea Level Conditions.
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From: John Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Reply-To: John Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] old guy's dream
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP...
On the other side, if you are a private pilot and foresee any difficulty
in
the future with renewing your medical, you can just let it expire and
operate
under sport pilot privileges. In that case you must buy a 415-C.
Greetings all,
It seems the 415Cs or C/Ds are everywhere except the northeast
(Pennsylvania in particular). I've
been searching for several months now with no success, and am (somewhat)
jealous when I find a coupe
for sale that is not here (or within reasonable driving distance).
Time is running out for this 'old guy'.
Still looking though...
Regards,
John
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From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "flyin" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] FW: type set?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: type
set?Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:17:25 -0400
How wonderful to see that Bill Coons is "back in battery!". He has been
missed! No, Bill, I don't have any particular e-mail writing skills. My
usual MSN Hotmail program has come up with a " new and improved" version,
WINDOWS LIVE MAIL BETA (still free) which includes a selection of FONT
STYLES, FONT SIZE,TEXT COLORS, AND SMILEY FACES . I'll try an example:
...how's this, Bill ? DON
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:27:33 -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: type set?DONALD BOWEN wrote:
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Another important consideration in purchasing a Coupe intended for cross
country travel, even with a small friend, is that the max gw for takeoff
figures are for Standard Day Sea Level Conditions. That can become VERY
significant when attempting to takeoff from a high elevation airport.
Several years ago I purchased a MAULE COMET, with 180 hp Lycoming engine.
I was at Jackon Hole, Wyoming (elev 6451'). I had a buddy with me. We were
careful to calculate the w & b prior to our flight back to Florida, and
even removed some misc, parts, clothes, laundry, etc., from our baggage
compartment and had them shipped home the day prior to our flight. We
then went to the airfield early on a bitter cold morning. The airplane had
been hangared overnight. We started up, warmed up the engine while
taxiing, did our mag and other checks ,and took position on the North
runway, 6300' as I recall. When the Jackson Hole tower granted our
requested Special VFR departure and cleared us for takeoff heading for
Yellowstone, I ran up the engine and adjusted the mixture to give us peak
power (we did have an EGT gauge) - even at that, our Density Altitude
reduced our engine power by as much as 20%. Our initial rate of climb was
"pretty puny" for 180 hp - maybe only 500-600 fpm. After flying/climbing
through some light snow, and finding (or making) a hole, we turned East
and climbed in a pass to 11,500 ft, between 14,000 ft mountains on each
side. It was an interesting and educational trip back to Florida. My point
here is ...consider this situation with an 85 hp engine, a warmer day and
a cruise prop ! Sure, the MAULE had an empty gw around 1550, and a max gw
around 2500 lbs, but it carried 420 lbs of occupants, another 420 lbs of
fuel, and some light baggage, so we were at max gw on our takeoff, but the
OAT and the on-ground mixture adustments kept us out of the trees.
DON
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on your last post reminded me old a program I had and never loaded. It
would ask you for some samples of your handwriting and then when you typed
a message it would look like you had written it in longhand. Could it
be?Bill Coons.
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