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Jim,
I am interested!  Please send photos to me.  How much are you asking?
What are the specifics of the crash and extent of damage?

Lee Browning


On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:14:02 -0500 "Jim Stanley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> any advice in this forum.]----
> 
> 
> To All: Not sure previous E-Mail went thru, had error message, too 
> long 
> since included pictures, the message is that My crashed Ercoupe now 
> 
> available for sale. Anyone interested please contact me at 
> 931-484-1307. 
> Plane located at the Crossville,TN airport. I can send pictures one 
> or two 
> at a time thru my servor   Ercoupe is a 1946, 415C, N-99083, with a 
> cont. 85 
> HP engine. Jim Stanley
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ercoupe Technical Discussion (moderated)" 
> <[email protected]>
> To: "Ercoupe Technical Discussion (moderated)" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:00 AM
> Subject: Digest list: Ercoupe Technical Discussion (moderated)
> 
> 
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any 
> > advice in this forum.]----
> >
> >
> > Message list:
> >
> > 1. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> > 2. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] ultrasonic inspection issues
> > 3. [COUPERS-TECH] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Technical Discussion 
> > (moderated)
> > 4. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] SB32
> > 5. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] SB32
> > 6. [COUPERS-TECH] Don't you just LOVE the smell of avgas in the 
> > morning?...
> > 7. [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> > 8. RE: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> > 9. Re: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> > 10. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >
> > Messages:
> >
> > From: "Hartmut Beil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "COUPERS TECH" <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: "Hartmut Beil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >
> > The two Ercoupes , I was involved in rebuilding/repairing had both 
> header
> > tank problems.
> >
> > Mine has a fairly new tank in it, that got replaced in 1994, but I 
> found a
> > crack on the tanks bottom jut 8 years later.
> > Stop drilled it and sealed it with that 2  component gue that my 
> FBO 
> > friend
> > gave me. That patch works beautifully.
> >
> > My brothers plane had always fuel small in the cockpit until my 
> brother
> > ordered the removal of the header tank. He took that thing apart 
> with his
> > A&P and found nothing. They disassembled the tank then, drilled 
> out all 
> > 200
> > or so rivets and carefully cleaned the parts.
> > Then finally, the mechanic found a pinhole in the piece opposite 
> to the 
> > fuel
> > line fittings. The fix was to fill that hole with a rivet.
> > You can imagine how they both cursed that they did not see the 
> hole before
> > taking that thing apart.
> >
> > Last but not least, I had several occasions where the fuel lines 
> from the
> > mains into the cockpit were not completely sealing.
> > Using red Avgas back then was a good visual leak finding tool.
> >
> > We had a leaky primer too, but that was just a problem when 
> priming, your
> > hand was moistened with gasoline then. Real pilot stuff.
> >
> > However. All is relatively easy to fix compared to the problem of 
> an
> > overheating engine.
> >
> > Hartmut
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "COUPERS TECH" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:30 AM
> > Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >
> >
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any
> >> advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, OK, my plane has always smelled of fuel when I pop it open  
> after
> >> sitting with the canopy cover on it. During my last annual they
> >> discovered a drip from the cowl tank onto my radio, necessitating 
> the
> >> purchase of a new radio. They sealed the tank, and said all was 
> well.  My
> >> primer pump has leaked from time to time, also, but I haven't  
> noticed it
> >> doing that lately.
> >>
> >> What are the usual culprits for the smell of gas in the cockpit? 
> I'm
> >> thinking the primer pump is the No. 1 suspect, then maybe weeping 
>  tanks
> >> or connections, much of which is inside the plane? I would be  
> curious to
> >> know if anyone out there has cured the bad smell problem  and 
> how.
> >>
> >> Thanks much! Oh, BTW, the plane is now flying great after my 
> little 
> >> wheat
> >> field incident.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >> N99340
> >> 
>
=========================================================================
=====
> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] ultrasonic inspection issues
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/6/2006 9:05:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > I am having the ultrasonic inspection done next week.  I remember  
> reading
> > that some people had a problem with a few rivets that gave a bad  
> reading 
> > even
> > though they were good.  Something had to be done to those  rivets 
> to get a 
> > good
> > reading.  What was it?  It was something like  cleaning the tops 
> or 
> > something
> > like that.  I want to make sure the person  inspecting my Coupe is 
> aware 
> > if
> > this potential  issue.
> >
> >
> >
> > Glen,
> > The 5/32 rivets have a circle ridge on the bucked tail from the 
> shop
> > set at manufacture.  If there is some bad readings have this 
> ridge
> > filed off to get better contact and have more copulant put on the
> > probe.  There is a minimum length to the rivets so don't get  
> carried
> > away with the filing.
> > John
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Ercoupe Technical Discussion \(moderated\)" 
> <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Technical 
> Discussion 
> > (moderated)
> >
> > John
> >
> > Up here we don't have much of a bug problem, so we use the 
> pineapple 
> > juice,
> > mixed with vodka, for medicinal applications.
> >
> > Glen
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ercoupe Technical Discussion (moderated)" 
> <[email protected]>
> > To: "Ercoupe Technical Discussion (moderated)" 
> <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:00 AM
> > Subject: Digest list: Ercoupe Technical Discussion (moderated)
> >
> >
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any
> >> advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >> Message list:
> >>
> >> 1. [COUPERS-TECH] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Technical Discussion
> >> (moderated)
> >> 2. [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe in the news........
> >> 3. [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 4. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 5. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 6. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 7. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 8. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 9. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Wing tip fairing for Nav+Strobe light 
> needed
> >> 10. [COUPERS-TECH] Skin wrinkles
> >> 11. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Skin wrinkles
> >> 12. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Skin wrinkles
> >> 13. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 14. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >> 15. [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >> 16. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >> 17. [COUPERS-TECH] Re:Wrinkles
> >> 18. RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >> 19. RE: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE, WD-40
> >> 20. [COUPERS-TECH] ultrasonic inspection issues
> >> 21. Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >>
> >> Messages:
> >>
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Technical 
> Discussion
> >> (moderated)
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 6/6/06 3:00:37 AM, [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Service bulletins
> >>>
> >>
> >> John and all..
> >>
> >>          Re: SB 32
> >>
> >> Happy to report two more good tests. Both Tom Horacek of Grafton, 
> WV
> >> and I had our coupes inspected per SB 32 by TEI Analytical 
> Services of
> >> Washington, PA and both passed with flying colors. The 
> inspections took
> >> place at
> >> Strope Aircraft Maintenance at Waynesburg, PA during the 
> aircraft's 
> >> annual
> >> inspections. Since the inspector, Rodney Jennings of TEI, was 
> able to do
> >> both on the
> >> same day, we held the bill down to $550 apiece.
> >>
> >> A couple of peculiarities. My coupe, N99906, was produced in July 
> of
> >> 1946. It is serial number 2529. Tom's, N2678H, is serial number
> >> 3303..probably
> >> produced that fall. The fuel tanks are different: Tom's has an 
> >> indentation
> >> at the rear corner which permitted the inspector to reach the 
> last rivet
> >> that
> >> was "excused" by the revision. My tank does not have that 
> indentation, so
> >> that rivet was omitted.
> >>
> >> Also: I have Cleveland Brakes, Tom has Goodyear. The brake line 
> on
> >> mine runs to the aft of the center spar, Tom's runs in front. As 
> a 
> >> result,
> >> there were 8 rivets on mine that were difficult if not impossible 
> to
> >> reach. Tom's
> >> aircraft posed no problem on that count.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, we were good to go. I think I knew it all the time. 
> This SB
> >> is BS.
> >>
> >> Jim S.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim Slade
> >> 1 304 292 2466
> >> 1 304 685 9386 (Cell)
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: Ercoupe List <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe in the news........
> >>
> >> Pacific Aerosystem Announces Disabled Pilot Option On
> >> Sky Arrow LSA Sidestick Controls Rudder Inputs; Can Be
> >> Removed For
> >> Conventional Ops
> >>
> >> One reason the 40s-vintage Ercoupe remains a popular
> >> aircraft
> >> today -- especially in the sport-pilot category -- is
> >> its lack of
> >> rudder pedals. In addition to making flying simpler
> >> for all pilots,
> >> the rudderless set-up allows disabled pilots, who
> >> don't have use of
> >> their legs and feet, to operate the aircraft.
> >>
> >> Pacific Aerosystem Inc. is keeping the needs of
> >> disabled pilots
> >> in mind. On Monday, company representatives told ANN
> >> the company
> >> will now offer its Disabled Pilot Option on its Sky
> >> Arrow 600 light
> >> sport aircraft.
> >>
> >> The SLSA-certified Sky Arrow, manufactured by
> >> Iniziative
> >> Industriali Italiane (3I) in Italy, follows the FAA
> >> Part
> >> 23-certified Sky Arrow 650 TCNS in offering an option
> >> for pilots
> >> who cannot operate rudder pedals with their feet.
> >>
> >> Unlike an Ercoupe -- in which rudder inputs are
> >> connected to the
> >> control wheel, intended to prevent pilots from
> >> cross-controlling
> >> the airplane -- the Sky Arrow setup still gives
> >> disabled pilots
> >> full rudder authority. The system uses a left-side
> >> control stick to
> >> apply yaw input, and also incorporates a throttle
> >> control -- thus
> >> giving pilots with only the use of their hands full
> >> control of the
> >> plane.
> >>
> >> The standard right side-stick controls pitch and bank,
> >> and also
> >> has buttons for electric rudder and elevator trim as
> >> well as radio
> >> push to talk. The brake levers are also controlled by
> >> the right
> >> hand, just as on the conventional Sky Arrow.
> >>
> >> The first US Sky Arrow
> >> 600 with the Disabled Pilot option received its
> >> airworthiness
> >> certificate on May 23, 2006, and the company will use
> >> the plane to
> >> demonstrate those features for prospective buyers.
> >>
> >> The left sidestick can be quickly removed for easy
> >> entry. When
> >> it is removed from the plane, the conventional rudder
> >> pedals are
> >> fully operational.
> >> FMI: www.skyarrowusa.com
> >>
> >> For the WHOLE story, go to
> >> 
>
http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport.cfm?ContentBlockID=b12bbb33-95ac-474f
-bbb7-29f6eb1fa475
> >> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >>       //    )    /
> >>     //          /_             ()
> >>    //          //  ))  //))   //   ( (
> >>   //          //  //  //     //   / /
> >>  ((___ )     //  //  //     //   ) )
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "COUPERS TECH" <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> Admittedly, this is barely technical, but could be of use to many 
> of us.
> >> It is now BUG season here in Florida. The lovebugs and a variety 
> of other
> >> flying insects are everywhere. They cover automobile and truck 
> bodies,
> >> radiators  and windows. Airplanes , too are their targets, 
> particularly
> >> when flying over grassy areas such as encountered on landing and 
> takeoff 
> >> .
> >> I'm sure that you who operate from turf fields have this problem 
> in
> >> spades, and not only in Florida. Most of the dead bugs on your 
> Coupe can
> >> be removed by washing with detergent and water immediately after 
> flight. 
> >> I
> >> use the small , nylon mesh enclosed scrub pads sold in auto parts 
> stores.
> >> Unfortunately, they aren't 100 % effective since the nylon mesh 
> is too
> >> open ,i.e., not close -weaved. They will remove some of the bugs, 
> but not
> >> all. The remaining ones have solidified into their own corpses 
> into
> >> epoxy-like blemishes which are very difficult to remove. 
> Solution: Home
> >> Depot sells small SPOT-X No Scratch Scrubbing pads @ 97 cents 
> each. They
> >> are white, very close -weave nylon or other synthetic material. 
> They can
> >> be used on porcelain, stainless steel, windows and mirrors. They 
> do NOT
> >> scratch, even when rubbed hard. I cut the pads in 4 pcs, apply a 
> bit of
> >> MEGUALAR Cleaner/Polisher and rub on each individual dead bug. 
> This
> >> removes the bug instantly, and there are no residual scratches - 
> honest!
> >> I haven't tried them on plexiglass windows, and do not intend to. 
> Maybe
> >> one of you has a scrap piece of it and can try the pads on it ?
> >>    Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: Sydney Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To:
> >> Reply-To: Sydney Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> I use warm water and a micro fiber cloth.  Works great, 
> especially if
> >> you clean the bugs off right after you land.  I would recommend 
> staying
> >> away from detergent, since the chemicals (phosphates, etc.) may 
> corrode
> >> the aluminum.
> >>
> >> Syd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DONALD BOWEN wrote:
> >>
> >>>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any
> >>>advice in this forum.]----
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Admittedly, this is barely technical, but could be of use to 
> many of
> >>> us. It is now BUG season here in Florida. The lovebugs and a 
> variety
> >>> of other flying insects are everywhere. They cover automobile 
> and
> >>> truck bodies, radiators  and windows. Airplanes , too are their
> >>> targets, particularly when flying over grassy areas such as
> >>> encountered on landing and takeoff . I'm sure that you who 
> operate
> >>> from turf fields have this problem in spades, and not only in 
> Florida.
> >>> Most of the dead bugs on your Coupe can be removed by washing 
> with
> >>> detergent and water immediately after flight. I use the small , 
> nylon
> >>> mesh enclosed scrub pads sold in auto parts stores. 
> Unfortunately,
> >>> they aren't 100 % effective since the nylon mesh is too open 
> ,i.e.,
> >>> not close -weaved. They will remove some of the bugs, but not 
> all. The
> >>> remaining ones have solidified into their own corpses into 
> epoxy-like
> >>> blemishes which are very difficult to remove. Solution: Home 
> Depot
> >>> sells small SPOT-X No Scratch Scrubbing pads @ 97 cents each. 
> They are
> >>> white, very close -weave nylon or other synthetic material. They 
> can
> >>> be used on porcelain, stainless steel, windows and mirrors. They 
> do
> >>> NOT scratch, even when rubbed hard. I cut the pads in 4 pcs, 
> apply a
> >>> bit of MEGUALAR Cleaner/Polisher and rub on each individual dead 
> bug.
> >>> This removes the bug instantly, and there are no residual 
> scratches -
> >>> honest!  I haven't tried them on plexiglass windows, and do not 
> intend
> >>> to. Maybe one of you has a scrap piece of it and can try the 
> pads on it 
> >>> ?
> >>>
> >>>     Don Bowen
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
>
>>>======================================================================
========
> >>>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "Wood, Percy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "COUPERS TECH" <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "Wood, Percy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> Last time I was in Florida, some of them 6-legged jobbies were so 
> big
> >> they should have been sporting "N" numbers...
> >> Lemon Pledge and a soft cloth worked well when I was back in 
> Oregon,
> >> though.
> >>      Percy in NM, USA
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: Sydney Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:35 AM
> >> Cc: COUPERS TECH
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> I use warm water and a micro fiber cloth.
> >> Syd
> >>
> >>
> >> DONALD BOWEN wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Admittedly, this is barely technical, but could be of use to
> >> many of us.
> >> It is now BUG season here in Florida.
> >>     Don Bowen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: John Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: COUPERS TECH <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: John Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> At 11:35 AM 6/6/2006, Sydney Cohen wrote:
> >>>I would recommend staying away from detergent, since the 
> chemicals
> >>>(phosphates, etc.) may corrode the aluminum.
> >>
> >> Pineapple juice contains an enzyme that dissolves the protein
> >> (chitin) that makes the bugs so hard to remove...
> >>
> >> (IIRC....)
> >>
> >>
> >> John Cooper, A&P
> >> Skyport Services
> >> PO Box 249
> >> 4996 Delaware Tnpk
> >> Rensselaerville, NY 12147
> >> 518 797-3064
> >> Fax 518 797-3865
> >> www.skyportservices.net
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"COUPERS TECH"
> >> <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "Roy Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> One thing I do as a preventative pre-flight measure here is 
> Georgia is
> >> to run a Pledge coated paper towel across the leading edges of 
> the
> >> wings.  It makes it somewhat easier to remove the bugs 
> post-flight.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Roy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: DONALD BOWEN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:26 AM
> >> To: COUPERS TECH
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following
> >> any advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >> Admittedly, this is barely technical, but could be of use to many 
> of us.
> >> It is now BUG season here in Florida. The lovebugs and a variety 
> of
> >> other flying insects are everywhere. They cover automobile and 
> truck
> >> bodies, radiators  and windows. Airplanes , too are their 
> targets,
> >> particularly when flying over grassy areas such as encountered 
> on
> >> landing and takeoff . I'm sure that you who operate from turf 
> fields
> >> have this problem in spades, and not only in Florida. Most of the 
> dead
> >> bugs on your Coupe can be removed by washing with detergent and 
> water
> >> immediately after flight. I use the small , nylon mesh enclosed 
> scrub
> >> pads sold in auto parts stores. Unfortunately, they aren't 100 %
> >> effective since the nylon mesh is too open ,i.e., not close 
> -weaved.
> >> They will remove some of the bugs, but not all. The remaining 
> ones have
> >> solidified into their own corpses into epoxy-like blemishes which 
> are
> >> very difficult to remove. Solution: Home Depot sells small SPOT-X 
> No
> >> Scratch Scrubbing pads @ 97 cents each. They are white, very 
> close
> >> -weave nylon or other synthetic material. They can be used on 
> porcelain,
> >> stainless steel, windows and mirrors. They do NOT scratch, even 
> when
> >> rubbed hard. I cut the pads in 4 pcs, apply a bit of MEGUALAR
> >> Cleaner/Polisher and rub on each individual dead bug. This 
> removes the
> >> bug instantly, and there are no residual scratches - honest!  I 
> haven't
> >> tried them on plexiglass windows, and do not intend to. Maybe one 
> of you
> >> has a scrap piece of it and can try the pads on it ?
> >>
> >>
> >>    Don Bowen
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
>
========================================================================
> >> ======
> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "'COUPERS TECH'" <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> What recommendations would you have for us fabric wing folks?  I 
> have the
> >> Poly-Fiber fabric with Poly-Tone paint (Paul Anton can correct me 
> if I'm
> >> wrong).  I've just been using a dishwashing soap and water with
> >> micro-fiber
> >> cloths.  It is a lot of work and I'm somewhat afraid I could be 
> doing
> >> harm.
> >>
> >> - Jason
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: John Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:50 AM
> >> To: COUPERS TECH
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any
> >> advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >> At 11:35 AM 6/6/2006, Sydney Cohen wrote:
> >>>I would recommend staying away from detergent, since the 
> chemicals
> >>>(phosphates, etc.) may corrode the aluminum.
> >>
> >> Pineapple juice contains an enzyme that dissolves the protein
> >> (chitin) that makes the bugs so hard to remove...
> >>
> >> (IIRC....)
> >>
> >>
> >> John Cooper, A&P
> >> Skyport Services
> >> PO Box 249
> >> 4996 Delaware Tnpk
> >> Rensselaerville, NY 12147
> >> 518 797-3064
> >> Fax 518 797-3865
> >> www.skyportservices.net
> >>
> >> 
>
=========================================================================
===
> >> ==
> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Wing tip fairing for Nav+Strobe light 
> needed
> >>
> >> Hey Ralph: If you have a plastic fairing on your Serial #35, it 
> is
> >> unusual.
> >> All of the Alons I have seen/worked on through serial #238 have 
> had a
> >> metal
> >> piece fastened to the wing tip which mates to the model E grimes 
> light. 
> >> It
> >> is
> >> held on with four rivets, and I think you could easily make one.
> >> Lynn Nelsen
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: Donald L Lunsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Reply-To: Donald L Lunsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Skin wrinkles
> >>
> >> I am looking at an Ercoupe that I am thinking of buying. I have 
> not
> >> touched one in 56 years since I took my first airplane ride at 
> the age of
> >> 6. There is some wrinkling of the skin aft of the firewall below 
> and
> >> infront of the wing root. Is it common for these panels to be 
> warpped and
> >> is that a cause for concern.
> >>
> >> Donald
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Skin wrinkles
> >>
> >> I know the wing root covers are wrinkled.
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/fcry7
> >>
> >> Look at my right wing root in the above photo.  Where it is 
> yellow and
> >> wrinkled is okay.  That is the root cover.  If where you see 
> wrinkles is
> >> in
> >> the blue area... then you'd want to take a closer look.
> >>
> >> - Jason
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Donald L Lunsford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:09 PM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Skin wrinkles
> >>
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any
> >> advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >> I am looking at an Ercoupe that I am thinking of buying. I have 
> not
> >> touched one in 56 years since I took my first airplane ride at 
> the age of
> >> 6. There is some wrinkling of the skin aft of the firewall below 
> and
> >> infront of the wing root. Is it common for these panels to be 
> warpped and
> >> is that a cause for concern.
> >>
> >> Donald
> >> 
>
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===
> >> ==
> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Skin wrinkles
> >>
> >> Hey Donald: I suggest you obtain the services of a good mechanic 
> who is
> >> familiar with Ercoupes and have him/her do a pre buy inspection. 
> It will
> >> be  money
> >> well spent.
> >> Lynn Nelsen
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >> In the book I have "Extraordinary uses for ordinary things"
> >>
> >> One of the uses for WD40
> >> Is to spray WD40 on the car grille and hood before going for a 
> drive and
> >> most of the critters will slide right off. The few bugs that are 
> left 
> >> will
> >> be
> >> easy to wipe off later without damaging your car's finish.
> >>
> >> If it works on the car it should work on your wings.
> >>
> >> _Jim Scroggins_ (http://jimscroggins.com/)
> >> 99714
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >> WD40 works great on the fuselage of my coupe, but I don't think 
> I'd want
> >> to
> >> try it on the fabric wings.
> >>
> >> I did just get a response from the Poly-Fiber folks...
> >>
> >> Hi Jason.  Your approach is a good one.
> >> We recommend our 310 Cleaner diluted,
> >> but in lieu of that reduced liquid dish soap
> >> is good.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> - Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>  _____
> >>
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:51 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE
> >>
> >>
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any
> >> advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >> In the book I have "Extraordinary uses for ordinary things"
> >>
> >> One of the uses for WD40
> >> Is to spray WD40 on the car grille and hood before going for a 
> drive and
> >> most of the critters will slide right off. The few bugs that are 
> left 
> >> will
> >> be easy to wipe off later without damaging your car's finish.
> >>
> >> If it works on the car it should work on your wings.
> >>
> >> Jim Scroggins <http://jimscroggins.com/>
> >> 99714
> >> 
>
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===
> >> ==
> >>
> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: Larry Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: COUPERS TECH <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: Larry Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >>
> >> Well, OK, my plane has always smelled of fuel when I pop it open
> >> after sitting with the canopy cover on it. During my last annual 
> they
> >> discovered a drip from the cowl tank onto my radio, necessitating 
> the
> >> purchase of a new radio. They sealed the tank, and said all was 
> well.
> >> My primer pump has leaked from time to time, also, but I haven't
> >> noticed it doing that lately.
> >>
> >> What are the usual culprits for the smell of gas in the cockpit? 
> I'm
> >> thinking the primer pump is the No. 1 suspect, then maybe 
> weeping
> >> tanks or connections, much of which is inside the plane? I would 
> be
> >> curious to know if anyone out there has cured the bad smell 
> problem
> >> and how.
> >>
> >> Thanks much! Oh, BTW, the plane is now flying great after my 
> little
> >> wheat field incident.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >> N99340
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "'COUPERS TECH'" <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "Jason J Ellingson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >>
> >> Mine is weeping at the fuel shutoff valve behind the dash.  Just 
> enough 
> >> to
> >> be damp to the touch, but not create drips or anything else.
> >>
> >> I think John Wright Jr said he could repair them.  Maybe someday 
> I'll fly
> >> up
> >> to Springfield, IL and have them fix it along with a few other 
> wish list
> >> items.
> >>
> >> - Jason
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Larry Snyder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:30 PM
> >> To: COUPERS TECH
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >>
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any
> >> advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, OK, my plane has always smelled of fuel when I pop it open
> >> after sitting with the canopy cover on it. During my last annual 
> they
> >> discovered a drip from the cowl tank onto my radio, necessitating 
> the
> >> purchase of a new radio. They sealed the tank, and said all was 
> well.
> >> My primer pump has leaked from time to time, also, but I haven't
> >> noticed it doing that lately.
> >>
> >> What are the usual culprits for the smell of gas in the cockpit? 
> I'm
> >> thinking the primer pump is the No. 1 suspect, then maybe 
> weeping
> >> tanks or connections, much of which is inside the plane? I would 
> be
> >> curious to know if anyone out there has cured the bad smell 
> problem
> >> and how.
> >>
> >> Thanks much! Oh, BTW, the plane is now flying great after my 
> little
> >> wheat field incident.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >> N99340
> >> 
>
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===
> >> ==
> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: Donald L Lunsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Reply-To: Donald L Lunsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Re:Wrinkles
> >>
> >> Thanks guys, I live in Orange, Texas and the plane is in Gun 
> Barrel,
> >> Texas (we are not very imaginative on our town names are we) and 
> I had my
> >> digital camera with me and left it in the car, administer one 
> good kick.
> >> So I need to find an Ercoupe A/P to do a prepurchase.
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Larry Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "COUPERS TECH"
> >> <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >>
> >> I had the identical problem in my ALON, shortly after purchasing 
> it 1 1/2
> >> years ago. Upon removal, it was apparent that a header tank leak 
> from
> >> above the old VHF radio and had damaged it.  A previous owner had 
> 
> >> repaired
> >> the underside rivets on the header tank, using some sort of 
> sealant (J B
> >> WELD ?)which eventually leaked. John Wright ,Jr overhauled the 
> tank at a
> >> reasonable price and the problem has not returned in the 175 hrs 
> since.
> >> Prior to contacting John, I had purchased a new header tank from 
> UNIVAIR.
> >> It had different bracketing than mine, didn't fit, and had to be 
> returned
> >> for refund.
> >>    Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>> To: [email protected]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 
> >>> [COUPERS-TECH]
> >>> Fuel smell in cockpit> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:30:05 -0500>
> >>>  > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following
> >>> any advice in this forum.]----> > > Well, OK, my plane has 
> always 
> >>> smelled
> >>> of fuel when I pop it open  > after sitting with the canopy 
> cover on it.
> >>> During my last annual they  > discovered a drip from the cowl 
> tank onto
> >>> my radio, necessitating the  > purchase of a new radio. They 
> sealed the
> >>> tank, and said all was well.  > My primer pump has leaked from 
> time to
> >>> time, also, but I haven't  > noticed it doing that lately.> > 
> What are
> >>> the usual culprits for the smell of gas in the cockpit? I'm  > 
> thinking
> >>> the primer pump is the No. 1 suspect, then maybe weeping  > 
> tanks or
> >>> connections, much of which is inside the plane? I would be  > 
> curious to
> >>> know if anyone out there has cured the bad smell problem  > and 
> how.> >
> >>> Thanks much! Oh, BTW, the plane is now flying great after my 
> little  >
> >>> wheat field incident.> > Larry> N99340>
> >>> 
>
=========================================================================
=====>
> >>> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm> > >
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: RE: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPE, WD-40
> >>
> >> Sounds good, Jim, except that many/most of the car bugs end up on 
> the
> >> windshields, and WD-40 and is notoriously bad for rubber o-rings 
> and 
> >> seals
> >> such as around automobile windshields.  I wouldn't use it there. 
> I used 
> >> it
> >> on a previous airplane's NG strut and it "ate" the o-ring seal - 
> I should
> >> have used hydraulic oil.
> >>    Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:51:22 -0400Subject: 
> Re:
> >> [COUPERS-TECH] DEBUGGING A COUPETo: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> >> [email protected]
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >> In the book I have "Extraordinary uses for ordinary things"
> >>
> >> One of the uses for WD40
> >> Is to spray WD40 on the car grille and hood before going for a 
> drive and
> >> most of the critters will slide right off. The few bugs that are 
> left 
> >> will
> >> be easy to wipe off later without damaging your car's finish.
> >>
> >> If it works on the car it should work on your wings.
> >>
> >> Jim Scroggins
> >> 99714
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] ultrasonic inspection issues
> >>
> >> Gang
> >>
> >> I am having the ultrasonic inspection done next week.  I remember 
> reading
> >> that some people had a problem with a few rivets that gave a bad 
> reading
> >> even though they were good.  Something had to be done to those 
> rivets to
> >> get a good reading.  What was it?  It was something like cleaning 
> the 
> >> tops
> >> or something like that.  I want to make sure the person 
> inspecting my
> >> Coupe is aware if this potential issue.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Glen Davis CFII
> >> Grumman Tiger N70GD
> >> 1946 Ercoupe N3103H
> >> www.ishootpictures.com
> >> 551 358 2600
> >>                |-----|
> >> _________(*)_________
> >>               o  o  o
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Fuel smell in cockpit
> >>
> >> Larry,
> >>
> >> A friend with a 415C had a problem with the smell of fuel in the 
> cockpit
> >> and
> >> found out that the fuel tank gauge sight glass gasket in the left 
> hand
> >> fuel
> >> tank was leaking fuel down inside the fuselage wall and into the 
> belly. 
> >> A
> >> new
> >> gasket or two fixed the problem.
> >>
> >> Might be worth taking a look there too.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Wayne DelRossi
> >> Alon N5618F
> >> Hours logged since restoration: 147.1
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> 
>
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=====
> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: "Ralph Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'Tech'" <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: "Ralph Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] SB32
> >
> > From Avweb:
> >
> > A recently decided enforcement case involving an FAA-certified 
> mechanic 
> > and
> > service-bulletin compliance may drastically increase operator 
> costs and 
> > call
> > into question airworthiness of thousands of in-service aircraft. A 
> 
> > decision
> > in the case, Administrator v. Law
> > <http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/5221.PDF> , was 
> adopted by 
> > the
> > National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) on April 28, 2006. The 
> NTSB is
> > the federal agency responsible for adjudicating FAA enforcement 
> actions. 
> > The
> > case involves a mechanic who returned to service a Lycoming piston 
> engine
> > without ensuring compliance with all applicable service bulletins. 
> No
> > airworthiness directive (AD) mandated service-bulletin compliance 
> and FAA
> > regulations do not require service bulletins to be performed on 
> > certificated
> > products like aircraft and engines unless the product is used in 
> > commercial
> > operations, like under Part 135 or 121. Yet, the NTSB upheld the 
> FAA's
> > enforcement action. In its decision, the NTSB determined that 
> language in
> > the Lycoming engine overhaul manual incorporated by reference not 
> just
> > existing service bulletins, but future ones, too. That language 
> states, 
> > "In
> > addition to this manual and subsequent revisions, additional 
> overhaul and
> > repair information is published in the form of service bulletins 
> and 
> > service
> > instructions. The information contained in these service bulletins 
> and
> > service instructions is an integral part of, and is to be used in
> > conjunction with, the information contained in this overhaul 
> manual."
> > According to aviation attorney Gregory J. Reigel
> > <http://www.globalair.com/discussions/legal_services/article.asp> 
> , the
> > decision possibly alters fundamental understandings on which 
> maintenance
> > technicians and aircraft operators have relied for decades. Wrote 
> Reigel,
> > "This NTSB opinion may well take some of the discretion out of 
> the
> > decision-making regarding whether or not to comply with a service 
> 
> > bulletin."
> > Additionally, according to the NTSB, whether service bulletins are 
> 
> > mandatory
> > for Part 91, non-commercial operations depends upon what other
> > manufacturer-written materials may contain. According to Reigel, 
> there is 
> > no
> > precedent, legal or otherwise, for the NTSB's decision in this 
> case.
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: John Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:41 AM
> > To: Wood, Percy; Tech
> > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] SB32
> >
> >
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before
> > following any advice in this forum.]----
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:29 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you sure that flight instruction falls under Service
> > Bulletins?
> >
> >
> > Percy is correct.  Service bulletins are advisory for all 
> aircraft
> > operated under part 91.  Aircraft used in flight instruction are 
> subject 
> > to
> > 100 hour inspections (or approved progressive inspections) in 
> addition to
> > annuals.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Cooper, A&P
> > Skyport Services
> > PO Box 249
> > 4996 Delaware Tnpk
> > Rensselaerville, NY 12147
> > 518 797-3064
> > Fax 518 797-3865
> > www.skyportservices.net <http://www.skyportservices.net/>
> >
> > 
>
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===
> > ==
> > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: John Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'Tech'" <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: John Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] SB32
> >
> > At 09:41 AM 6/7/2006, Ralph Finch wrote:
> >>NTSB determined that language in
> >>the Lycoming engine overhaul manual incorporated by reference not 
> just
> >>existing service bulletins, but future ones, too.
> >
> >
> > OK, now you've opened a whole 'nother can of worms.  In fact, this 
> is
> > not new information to those of us who deal with this stuff daily
> > (although apparently it is to the mechanic who did the
> > overhaul).  However, it is not applicable to the Ercoupe world as
> > none of the service manuals contain such language.
> >
> > Simply put, when you overhaul an engine you must do it in 
> accordance
> > with the manufacturer's overhaul instructions. If the 
> instructions
> > contain references to future bulletins, then they become part of 
> the
> > overhaul instructions.  Simple enough, right?
> >
> >
> > John Cooper, A&P
> > Skyport Services
> > PO Box 249
> > 4996 Delaware Tnpk
> > Rensselaerville, NY 12147
> > 518 797-3064
> > Fax 518 797-3865
> > www.skyportservices.net
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Don't you just LOVE the smell of avgas in 
> the 
> > morning?...
> >
> >
> > The smell of gas in my case was the fuel caps.
> > The gaskets are OK but the casting of the cap itself is rough 
> sand-cast
> > aluminum and the gasket does not seat well against it.
> > As a fast fix, I glued the gasket to the cap with silicone glue 
> and it
> > worked.
> > I know the silicone won't last with the wing tank caps being 
> unscrewed
> > frequently. The header tank I seldom remove, unless I am taking 
> the cowl 
> > off.
> > As a permanent fix I plan to take the caps apart and machine the  
> bottom
> > surface to make it flat making sure I don't take too much off and 
> make it 
> > a loose
> > fitting cap.
> >
> >
> > Alan Fairclough
> > N87333
> > _www.texasaviator.com_ (http://www.texasaviator.com)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "COUPERS TECH" <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >
> > Here's an interesting item from Harbor Freight. Could it be used 
> to 
> > measure post-flight oil sump temp? Anyone out there with hands on 
> 
> > experience? A version with a laser pointer is only 10 bucks more.
> >
> >
> > POCKET INFRARED 
> > 
>
THERMOMETERhttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumb
er=92350
> >    Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "COUPERS TECH" 
> <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: "DONALD BOWEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >
> > Hi, Chris and Hartmut,
> >
> > I note that only a tiny square of non- reflecting tape might be 
> applied to 
> > the sump tank, not repainting the entire tank. Hartmut's $12 
> thermometer 
> > is much like the $4 candy thermometerI already have. However, it 
> doesn't 
> > have the added features of the $30 one I asked about, i.e., it can 
> seek 
> > out hot spots on heating/air conditionng ducts, and temps of 
> hot/cold air 
> > coming out of the vents, AND tell your actual hot water heater 
> temps to 
> > compare with the settings you have made. Again, I ask if any of you 
> have 
> > experience with the device I mentioned, and is a laser pointer a 
> desired 
> > feature?
> >    Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:27:01 -0700From: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: 
> > [COUPERS-TECH] Oil tempTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] will give a good 
> idea of 
> > the temp of the oil tank, for example.  Which is close to the 
> actual oil 
> > temp.  The tank needs to be painted flat black.DONALD BOWEN 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any 
> > advice in this forum.]----
> >
> > Here's an interesting item from Harbor Freight. Could it be used 
> to 
> > measure post-flight oil sump temp? Anyone out there with hands on 
> 
> > experience? A version with a laser pointer is only 10 bucks more.  
> POCKET 
> > INFRARED 
> > 
>
THERMOMETERhttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumb
er=92350
> >    Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > 
>
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> 
> > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm        
> ___ // ) 
> > /// /_ () // // )) //)) // ( ( // // // // // / /((___ ) // // // 
> // ) )
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: "Byron Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "COUPERS TECH" <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: "Byron Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >
> > I use one like it at work.  Works well on non reflective surface 
> when I 
> > use it on shiny metal I put duct tape on surface. I would probably 
> be 
> > accurate on the oil tank.  You have to watch the size of the 
> sample area 
> > which gets bigger the farther you are from the surface.  Gives 
> instant 
> > reading no time to wait for the temp to stabilize.   Hope this 
> helps.
> >
> > Byron Marshall
> > N99884
> >  ----- Original Message ----- 
> >  From: DONALD BOWEN<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  To: Chris<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; COUPERS 
> > TECH<mailto:[email protected]>
> >  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:57 PM
> >  Subject: RE: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >
> >
> > ----[Please read 
> > 
>
http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm<http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm> 
> 
> > before following any advice in this forum.]----
> >
> >
> > Hi, Chris and Hartmut,
> >
> >  I note that only a tiny square of non- reflecting tape might be 
> applied 
> > to the sump tank, not repainting the entire tank. Hartmut's $12 
> > thermometer is much like the $4 candy thermometerI already have. 
> However, 
> > it doesn't have the added features of the $30 one I asked about, 
> i.e., it 
> > can seek out hot spots on heating/air conditionng ducts, and temps 
> of 
> > hot/cold air coming out of the vents, AND tell your actual hot 
> water 
> > heater temps to compare with the settings you have made. Again, I 
> ask if 
> > any of you have experience with the device I mentioned, and is a 
> laser 
> > pointer a desired feature?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      Don Bowen
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
>
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> >    Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:27:01 -0700
> >    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >    Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >    It will give a good idea of the temp of the oil tank, for 
> example. 
> > Which is close to the actual oil temp.  The tank needs to be 
> painted flat 
> > black.
> >
> >    DONALD BOWEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any 
> > advice in this forum.]----      Here's an interesting item from 
> Harbor 
> > Freight. Could it be used to measure post-flight oil sump temp? 
> Anyone out 
> > there with hands on experience? A version with a laser pointer is 
> only 10 
> > bucks more.
> >
> >
> >      POCKET INFRARED THERMOMETER
> > 
> > 
>
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92350<ht
tp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92350>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >          Don Bowen
> >      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > 
>
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> 
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> >
> >
> >    ___
> >    // ) /
> >    // /_ ()
> >    // // )) //)) // ( (
> >    // // // // // / /
> >    ((___ ) // // // // ) )
> > 
>
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> > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > From: Sydney Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Reply-To: Sydney Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >
> > I don't get it.  Why do you want to know the oil temperature in 
> the oil
> > tank?  The oil temperature at the oil temp gauge bulb is the only 
> one
> > that counts.  If you doubt the accuracy of your gauge, remove the 
> bulb
> > (not a big job) and immerse it in boiling water.  We all know that 
> water
> > boils at 212 degrees F. at sea level, and slightly cooler at 
> higher
> > altitudes.  Sorry for sounding harsh, but I guess I'm just 
> confused.
> >
> > Syd
> >
> >
> > Byron Marshall wrote:
> >
> >>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any 
> >>advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I use one like it at work.  Works well on non reflective surface 
> when
> >> I use it on shiny metal I put duct tape on surface. I would 
> probably
> >> be accurate on the oil tank.  You have to watch the size of the 
> sample
> >> area which gets bigger the farther you are from the surface.  
> Gives
> >> instant reading no time to wait for the temp to stabilize.   Hope 
> this
> >> helps.
> >>
> >> Byron Marshall
> >> N99884
> >>
> >>     ----- Original Message -----
> >>     From: DONALD BOWEN <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>     To: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; COUPERS TECH
> >>     <mailto:[email protected]>
> >>     Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:57 PM
> >>     Subject: RE: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >>
> >>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any 
> >>advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Hi, Chris and Hartmut,
> >>
> >>     I note that only a tiny square of non- reflecting tape might 
> be
> >>     applied to the sump tank, not repainting the entire tank.
> >>     Hartmut's $12 thermometer is much like the $4 candy 
> thermometerI
> >>     already have. However, it doesn't have the added features of 
> the
> >>     $30 one I asked about, i.e., it can seek out hot spots on
> >>     heating/air conditionng ducts, and temps of hot/cold air 
> coming
> >>     out of the vents, AND tell your actual hot water heater temps 
> to
> >>     compare with the settings you have made. Again, I ask if any 
> of
> >>     you have experience with the device I mentioned, and is a 
> laser
> >>     pointer a desired feature?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Don Bowen
> >>     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>
> >>         
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>         Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:27:01 -0700
> >>         From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>         Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Oil temp
> >>         To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>         It will give a good idea of the temp of the oil tank, 
> for
> >>         example.  Which is close to the actual oil temp.  The 
> tank
> >>         needs to be painted flat black.
> >>
> >>         DONALD BOWEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before 
> following any 
> >>advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>             Here's an interesting item from Harbor Freight. Could 
> it
> >>             be used to measure post-flight oil sump temp? Anyone 
> out
> >>             there with hands on experience? A version with a 
> laser
> >>             pointer is only 10 bucks more.
> >>
> >>
> >>             POCKET INFRARED THERMOMETER
> >> 
> >> 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92350
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 Don Bowen
> >>             [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
>
>>=======================================================================
======= 
> 
> >>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         ___
> >>         // ) /
> >>         // /_ ()
> >>         // // )) //)) // ( (
> >>         // // // // // / /
> >>         ((___ ) // // // // ) )
> >>
>
>>=======================================================================
=======
> >>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>>=======================================================================
=======
> >>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> >
> >
> > 
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