Peri - Your argument gets my vote. MW
On 23 Nov 2014, at 06:12, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > I think you're right, Ben, but I don't think that plug-in hybrids should be > part of the charter. If someone wants to ask questions or discuss how to > add EV capabilities to an existing vehicle (ICE or hybrid or whatever), > that's fine. But I don't want to see discussions on the merits of hybrids > and how to fine tune them to best performance. I don't think that helps > advance the principles of EVs. > > For example, it's one thing to discuss the latest advancements in battery > technology or the functionality of a BMS. It's another thing to argue over > the best balance between ICE performance when augmented with an electric > motor. > > My feelings orient towards the lofty vision of a pure EV world where high > electrical energy storage is practical and the standard vehicle is powered by > such storage device and an electric motor. Hybrids and anything else that > relies on a supplementary fuel supply is a distraction and simply an > intermediate solution. > > So, yes, let's encourage people to buy or build hybrids and other > intermediary vehicles but let's not change evdl from focusing on the more > distant, abstract goal. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Ben Goren via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Lee Hart" <leeah...@earthlink.net>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: 22-Nov-14 10:38:59 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charter change? > >> On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >>> So, how about if the charter restricts it to "vehicles powered by electric >>> motors and a fuel source *other than* conventional gasoline, diesel, or >>> other fossil fuels? >>> >>> In other words, itemize what "fuel sources" the list is NOT for discussing >> >> Even then, I don't think there should be a "one drop" purity test. Plugin >> hybrids are, in many instances, almost exclusively electric vehicles in >> practice. I don't think the Volt or the new BMW should be verboten, >> especially considering that few owners of those vehicles will stop at a gas >> station more than a couple times a year despite driving them daily. >> >> If the vehicle gets a significant portion of its motive energy from an >> external source of electricity, it should be fair game. How the vehicle >> stores that energy onboard, and whether or not the vehicle also takes on >> energy from non-electric sources, shouldn't matter. >> >> The Honda Insight shouldn't be a suitable vehicle for discussion, but, if >> somebody comes here owning an Insight and wants to replace / expand the >> battery pack and add a cable to plug it into the wall, we should be excited >> to help that person do so, even if the gasoline engine stays onboard after >> the modifications. (And, yes, part of the advice should be to consider >> ditching the gasoline engine in favor of expanded electric performance, but, >> though that's often a good idea, it's not always the most suitable option.) >> >> Of course, it's easy to imagine a big auto manufacturer creating a >> "compliance vehicle" that's a typical non-plugin hybrid with a tiny battery >> and the addition of a plug that'll give the vehicle a mile or three of >> electric range. I think we'd want to know about those sorts of vehicles and >> how to discourage their use; or, alternately, be open to helping people with >> modifications to such vehicles to give them meaningful all-electric ranges. >> >> We all here acknowledge that BEVs aren't yet one-size-fits-all solutions, >> and that there are many real-world scenarios where they're not suitable. >> What I don't personally understand is why so many encourage the use of a >> separate pure-gasoline vehicle to fill those gaps and discourage the use of >> a plugin hybrid. Two cars are better than one...because...why...? >> >> b& >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: signature.asc >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 801 bytes >> Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141122/de6761a4/attachment.pgp> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
