Martin, a somewhat comment. When I sold my Kewet EV, 48v with 4 D8 12v Pb
batteries, this youg 20 something lady, extremely enthusiastic inquired. I did
her a favor by pointing her to a local commercial dealer selling Leafs and
Volts as my Kewet would have forever soured her on EV's or PHEV's. I love my
Volt BUT it was a mistake due to desperately wanting anything electric. I
shoulda got a Tesla as a Leaf did not meet my needs (1,000 mile plus trips 3-6
times a year)
From: Martin WINLOW via EV <[email protected]>
To: Peri Hartman <[email protected]>; EVDL Post Message <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charter change?
Peri - Your argument gets my vote. MW
On 23 Nov 2014, at 06:12, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think you're right, Ben, but I don't think that plug-in hybrids should be
> part of the charter. If someone wants to ask questions or discuss how to add
> EV capabilities to an existing vehicle (ICE or hybrid or whatever), that's
> fine. But I don't want to see discussions on the merits of hybrids and how
> to fine tune them to best performance. I don't think that helps advance the
> principles of EVs.
>
> For example, it's one thing to discuss the latest advancements in battery
> technology or the functionality of a BMS. It's another thing to argue over
> the best balance between ICE performance when augmented with an electric
> motor.
>
> My feelings orient towards the lofty vision of a pure EV world where high
> electrical energy storage is practical and the standard vehicle is powered by
> such storage device and an electric motor. Hybrids and anything else that
> relies on a supplementary fuel supply is a distraction and simply an
> intermediate solution.
>
> So, yes, let's encourage people to buy or build hybrids and other
> intermediary vehicles but let's not change evdl from focusing on the more
> distant, abstract goal.
>
> Peri
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Ben Goren via EV" <[email protected]>
> To: "Lee Hart" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: 22-Nov-14 10:38:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charter change?
>
>> On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> So, how about if the charter restricts it to "vehicles powered by electric
>>> motors and a fuel source *other than* conventional gasoline, diesel, or
>>> other fossil fuels?
>>>
>>> In other words, itemize what "fuel sources" the list is NOT for discussing
>>
>> Even then, I don't think there should be a "one drop" purity test. Plugin
>> hybrids are, in many instances, almost exclusively electric vehicles in
>> practice. I don't think the Volt or the new BMW should be verboten,
>> especially considering that few owners of those vehicles will stop at a gas
>> station more than a couple times a year despite driving them daily.
>>
>> If the vehicle gets a significant portion of its motive energy from an
>> external source of electricity, it should be fair game. How the vehicle
>> stores that energy onboard, and whether or not the vehicle also takes on
>> energy from non-electric sources, shouldn't matter.
>>
>> The Honda Insight shouldn't be a suitable vehicle for discussion, but, if
>> somebody comes here owning an Insight and wants to replace / expand the
>> battery pack and add a cable to plug it into the wall, we should be excited
>> to help that person do so, even if the gasoline engine stays onboard after
>> the modifications. (And, yes, part of the advice should be to consider
>> ditching the gasoline engine in favor of expanded electric performance, but,
>> though that's often a good idea, it's not always the most suitable option.)
>>
>> Of course, it's easy to imagine a big auto manufacturer creating a
>> "compliance vehicle" that's a typical non-plugin hybrid with a tiny battery
>> and the addition of a plug that'll give the vehicle a mile or three of
>> electric range. I think we'd want to know about those sorts of vehicles and
>> how to discourage their use; or, alternately, be open to helping people with
>> modifications to such vehicles to give them meaningful all-electric ranges.
>>
>> We all here acknowledge that BEVs aren't yet one-size-fits-all solutions,
>> and that there are many real-world scenarios where they're not suitable.
>> What I don't personally understand is why so many encourage the use of a
>> separate pure-gasoline vehicle to fill those gaps and discourage the use of
>> a plugin hybrid. Two cars are better than one...because...why...?
>>
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