> So, based on averages and some EV assumptions, the gas station uses enough > electricy to charge somewhere between 1 and 2 EVs.
That is an absurdly low number. The average American 20 mile/day is about $40 worth of electricity. A wild a$$ gues that the electric bill for a gas station is on the order of $800 per month, would make that be 20 cars. So I guess my original guess of 50 cars is about the same as assuing an average gas station electric bill of $1600/mo. OK, lets get the data... And even if you say that a lot of that goes to the service bay and the mechanic, and the oil changer, remember that most of that all goes away when EV's rule. EV's will need only 10% of the greasemonkey type maintenance too. -----Original Message----- From: Peri Hartman [mailto:pe...@kotatko.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:09 AM To: Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!) That would be interesting information. I'll take a stab at an answer, based on this EIA graph: http://www.eia.gov/beta/MER/index.cfm?tbl=T02.01#/?f=A&start=200001 Overall, it shows that commercial uses about 80% the amount of residential (this is a visual interpretation). The figure, from EIA, for residential is 11MwH per year. So, let's say the average commercial location uses 8.8MwH per year. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=97&t=3 Now for the EVs: If the average EV uses 300wH = .3KwH (including accessories, charging losses, etc.) per mile and the average driver goes 20000 miles per year, that's 6MwH of charging per year. So, based on averages and some EV assumptions, the gas station uses enough electricy to charge somewhere between 1 and 2 EVs. Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <email@example.com> Sent: 04-Dec-15 6:47:23 AM Subject: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!) >>: MP Amber Rudd sez the UK grid too weak for 34M EVs >> BRITAIN’S electric car revolution could trigger blackouts by >>overloading >> our power network, senior Tories fear. > >Typical right wing ignorance. > >What happens when 50% of cars are EV's. Then only 50% of the gas >stations remain operating. How much ELECTRICITY does a gas station >consume???? >My >wild a$$ guess is maybe the same as what it takes to charge 50 EV's. >Now >add up all the ELECTRIC savings by closing all those gas stations, and >turning off half the gasoline pipelines, and half of the gasoline >distribution system, and turning off HALF of all the electricity >consumed pumping gas ouit of the ground, etc, and I bet it’s a WASH! > >Tonight I'm going to drop by my neighborhood gas station and see if the >owner will tell me his electric bill and even better, if he will tell >me how many cars he serves. I DOUBT he will tell me anything about the >number of cars and the amount of gas since he is in EXTREME competition >with the statinon across the road, but maybe he will reveal the >electric bill. > >But we need this number. GO get your local number and lets compare >notes. > >Bob >----------------------------- >A Cabinet row has broken out over the plug-in motors. > >Eco-loving ministers at the Environment and Transport departments say >greener roads with millions of the electric vehicles is vital for clean >air. > >But the Department of Energy and Climate Change fear we don’t have >enough power for them. >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag >racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)