Peri & All,

I recall addressing this fear about a decade ago when it the fear was being
pushed by mainstream media.
The reality is no different than events that have occurred many times since
the inception of the electrical grid. It is interesting that the utilities
seem to do their best to avoid this conversation.
Some that we might recall were the fears about every house having a
refrigerator and washing machine, then it was the clothes dryer, followed
by microwave ovens & hand held appliances and the hot tub craze, followed
by the air conditioner installations. The air conditioners do have a
noticeable effect on the grid due to a few factors (1. Grid already
stressed due to over heating. 2. Large numbers in a region using the device
at the same time (large, continuous inrush currents). 3. Extended periods
of load for each device (in excess of 4 hours each).)
The previous example share the relatively short, staggered inrush current
events, followed by lower power demands, which are barely noticeable,
according to the utilities themselves, since most L2 units use the same
amount of power per use as the average clothes dryer.

Tom True

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <>

> I think this article raises a good question, though I don't really think
> it answers it. Currently, yes, the grid isn't significantly impacted. But
> what about if we had 100% EVs. What about local and long haul trucking?
> What about other ICE powered equipment, e.g. earth movers, etc.? What about
> generation capacity as well as distribution capacity?
> Personally, our EV boosted our electricity consumption by about 10%. I
> don't know how that number compares in general as, even with our EV, our
> electricity usage is below the national average. Even so, that's only
> accounting for residential EVs. Commercial and industrial electricity usage
> is much higher than residential. Is that enough to coincidentally assume a
> 10% figure for non residential EV charging? If this pans out to be
> reasonably true, it would seem that EVs will not, long term, cause a
> significant drain on our generation capacity, if any at all (considering
> time of use).
> For distribution, yes, we clearly can't have everyone charging their EVs
> at 5:30pm.  But, as we move more and more to renewables, we'll need grid
> storage anyway and, using the "10% rule", EVs won't be a significant
> factor. The significant factor will be how to get Nevada solar to the
> cloudy Pacific NW or to get Texas wind to sticky South Carolina. And how to
> store several days worth to even out nature's effects.
> Does anyone have real numbers of the effects of 100% EVs on generation and
> distribution?
> Peri
> ot-crashing-grid
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