I currently own 3 Teslas, and have owned close to 20 since my first brand-new Model S in 2015. All cars since the 2015 have been salvage. To be clear, I love Tesla, their mission, their engineering, and their cars. They have a lot of work to do on customer satisfaction, quality control, and most definitely service and how they treat customers.
Sorry Paul, but you are misinformed here. Having worked on literally hundreds of cars with my own hands and thousands of other salvage cars I can assure you that Tesla takes many steps to prevent you from restoring a salvage vehicle. First off they refuse to sell you parts without a VIN. Until 2019 their official policy was to not sell parts for "unsupported" cars, which means any car that's salvaged or grey market (such as a US car imported to another country where Tesla doesn't sell cars). Since then, the official policy is they WILL sell parts, but still require a VIN. However many service centers apparently "didn't get the memo" (literally) and still refuse parts sales. On top of this, any part that is "restricted" will not be sold to ANY customer, even of a supported car. This includes almost any high-voltage component, airbags, most ECUs, etc. I linked Tesla's official current policy on unsupported vehicles in my previous email, but clearly you didn't bother to read it. So here are the parts you should have at least read before replying: "NOTE: Once a vehicle is marked as being unsupported or having a salvaged title, Supercharging and/or fast charging through 3rd party chargers is permanently disabled." "NOTE: Once a vehicle is marked as being unsupported/having a salvaged title, the “unsupported” designation can not be changed." "If the vehicle has passed the Salvage-Titled Vehicle High Voltage Safety Inspection:" "Any Tesla limited warranties and extended service agreements for the vehicle remain void." "Supercharging and/or “fast charging” through 3rd party chargers remains disabled." "The vehicle remains classified as an “unsupported vehicle.”" Please before commenting, take the time to read everything. Again, Here is the link to their policy: " https://pdfhost.io/v/vJRva0n7P_TN1800001_Unsupported_Vehicle_Policy_R1pdf.pdf " On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 9:34 AM paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Do you own a Tesla? It doesn't sound like it by this rant. > They don't prevent you from fixing salvaged vehicle. The only prevent > using the Supercharger network.They allow it if you pass their inspection. > You can charge a Tesla from other sources. > My insurance rates are not high. Someone backed into my car in a parking > lot and the Tesla > service center told me to go to any bodyshop to get it repaired. > I took it to an authorized shop that meets all the Tesla requirements but > I didn't have to.Albeit it took three week and they replaced almost > everything on the front end so it was expensive.It took three weeks but it > was over Christmas so I suspect that contributed to the time. > I don't think you will find any difference in how Mercedes, BMW or Audi > handle these issues.I know a guy who bought a Smart car with no battery. > There was nothing wrong with the car.It had not been wrecked. Mercedes > would not even sell him a battery. > I have a friend who does restomods on Corvettes. They have similar > restrictions. He can get > software to flash the ECUs because he is a shop and not an individual but > it costs him $200per model year. > > I don't know of any instance where Tesla took away something that was > legitimately purchased.I don't believe they salvage more Teslas than they > do any other car on the road. > In fact, the older the car the more likely they salvage because it costs > more than the car is worth. > > On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 4:42:08 PM CDT, via EV < > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Early on in the Model S program (Gen 1 cars) they had a fire at a > supercharger in Norway because an official Tesla Tech replaced the HV > junction box (located under the rear seat) and didn't tighten the > connections properly. > > On the Gen2 cars that came out in late 2014, they added a whole bunch of > safety stuff to check for such things. Temperature sensors, Voltage drop > sensing, etc. Because it's vitally important to Tesla's mission to ensure > there are no fires, which of course are blown WAY out of proportion by the > media, they pulled out all the stops on both engineering and legal to > prevent this any way they could. Yeah, I'm not faulting Tesla for wanting > to mitigate risk, but not allowing it after inspection is harming them. > Their general policy on the secondary market is really bad, this has had > the knock-on effect of making Teslas hard to insure, and the rates just > keep on climbing. > > When you wreck a car, and the insurance company totals it, they depend on > the secondary market to get a lot of the cost back. Tesla's policies have > reduced this payback, and in addition, it's so difficult to repair a Tesla > expediently because the parts availability is so restricted and even for > "authorized" shops, there are LONG delays getting the parts, so the ins co > will total it rather than pay for months of rental cars and uncertain > repair outcome. Of course that means many more cars are getting sent to > salvage than should be. Many are super simple repairs that don't even > touch the HV systems. > > But the main thing here is Tesla is not just blocking cars on their > network, they are altering YOUR car without permission. Look at it this > way, what would you say if you got into a minor accident and then a van > pulls up, a bunch of guys jump out and revoke your optional sport wheel > package? They absolutely have no agreement with the new owner, and > therefore it would be super easy for a US attorney to prosecute them under > the title 1030 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. > > > > On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:44 PM Jay Summet via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > > If the car is salvaged, it typically means that an insurance company has > > declared it "un-repairable" and then somebody else buys it for > > scrap/parts/salvage. > > > > [The original owner is compensated by their insurance.] > > > > While it is legal to repair a salvage title vehicle and get it re-titled > > for road use, Tesla has decided that the risk of a fire at one of their > > supercharger stations is too great for a vehicle in that condition. > > > > This is similar to EVgo prohibiting "homebuilt / DIY" vehciles from > > using their DC charging networks as a way to limit liability and risk. > > > > I do wish that they would allow some sort of inspection to "re-certify" > > the car safe to use on the supercharger network.....but if you buy a > > salvage vehicle, you should not expect Tesla to just blindly trust that > > it works correctly. > > > > Jay > > > > > > On 3/17/21 3:20 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > > Geez, so big brother Tesla disables Fast charging if you get in an > > accident with your $50k+ car so you have to buy a new one! > > > Thanks for the info Phil. It’s a felony but They do it anyway? Maybe > a > > felony for a pion individual but not a rich company with many lawyers. > > > Stay Charged, > > > Mark > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Mar 17, 2021, at 2:32 PM, (-Phil-) <p...@ingineerix.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tesla has a policy where if they find out your car is salvage or has > > been in an accident that deployed the airbags, they deem it unsafe to use > > on their supercharger network. Of course they have that right. What > they > > don't have the right to do is access the vehicle without the owner's > > permission (Felony computer intrusion) and alter it's configuration so it > > will no longer fast charge. Since the car controls the charger, this is > > the mechanism they use to disable it. > > > > > > I've restored supercharging on cars that I deem are safe to do this on, > > and have been doing so since 2015. 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