Well, that sucks. However, it you give them the right (through
agreements that most people don't read) to change your configuration, as
opposed to simply disabling something on their end, then it seems like
you have little room to argue. And I see where they're coming from. But
it's really unfair.
Peri
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------ Original Message ------
From: "(-Phil-)" <p...@ingineerix.com>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 18-Mar-21 12:32:11 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
In order to block a Tesla from accessing their supercharger network,
they have to connect to the car over the air and go into it's stored
configuration and remove the supercharging option. So the analogy
would be if you cancelled your Netflix account, and Netflix actually
hacked into your PC and not only blocked Netflix, but also blocked HBO
Go and Disney Plus. So yeah, maybe you signed an agreement with
Netflix authorizing them to access your PC is you ever terminated your
account, but that would be pretty hard to rationalize if they were
blocking other services. But wait, It's even worse than this; Say you
sell your PC to someone else, and now Netflix hacks into it then, is
that legal? What if you die and someone inherits your PC? Are they
also automatically allowing Netflix to hack it? There's no way this
would stand up to any legal challenge!
So after an insurance company takes possession of your salvage Tesla,
then they sell it to an unrelated 3rd party. Then Tesla discovers this
and accesses the car over the cell network and removes the option.
Again; They aren't blocking the car on the charging network side, they
are REMOVING the capability from the car. It won't charge not only on
Tesla's network, but ANY fast charging network!!! Tell me that's not
immoral, if not outright criminal.
1030 may apply because Tesla accessed the new owner's car without any
permission and took away a function with substantial effect to the
car's utility and value.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:36 AM Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
Phil, can you elaborate on your statement below, please ? Certainly, I
love what tesla has done to influence the world to like EVs.
But I'm not clear on what you mean by "altering your car without
permission." I have not read the purchase agreement, but I would
assume
it contains something allowing them to "disable use of superchargers
solely at their discretion" with disagreement settled by moderators
(the
usual anti consumer process). And, with a clause waiving tesla of any
responsibility to a subsequent owner. While I think agreements like
this
stink, how does title 1030 apply ?
Peri
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------ Original Message ------
From: "(-Phil-) via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "(-Phil-)" <p...@ingineerix.com>
Sent: 17-Mar-21 2:41:25 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
>
>But the main thing here is Tesla is not just blocking cars on their
network, they are altering YOUR car without permission. ... They
absolutely have no agreement with the new owner, and therefore it
would be super easy for a US attorney to prosecute them under the
title 1030 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
>
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