Do you own a Tesla? It doesn't sound like it by this rant.
They don't prevent you from fixing salvaged vehicle. The only prevent using the
Supercharger network.They allow it if you pass their inspection. You can charge
a Tesla from other sources.
My insurance rates are not high. Someone backed into my car in a parking lot
and the Tesla
service center told me to go to any bodyshop to get it repaired.
I took it to an authorized shop that meets all the Tesla requirements but I
didn't have to.Albeit it took three week and they replaced almost everything on
the front end so it was expensive.It took three weeks but it was over Christmas
so I suspect that contributed to the time.
I don't think you will find any difference in how Mercedes, BMW or Audi handle
these issues.I know a guy who bought a Smart car with no battery. There was
nothing wrong with the car.It had not been wrecked. Mercedes would not even
sell him a battery.
I have a friend who does restomods on Corvettes. They have similar
restrictions. He can get
software to flash the ECUs because he is a shop and not an individual but it
costs him $200per model year.
I don't know of any instance where Tesla took away something that was
legitimately purchased.I don't believe they salvage more Teslas than they do
any other car on the road.
In fact, the older the car the more likely they salvage because it costs more
than the car is worth.
On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 4:42:08 PM CDT, via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
Early on in the Model S program (Gen 1 cars) they had a fire at a
supercharger in Norway because an official Tesla Tech replaced the HV
junction box (located under the rear seat) and didn't tighten the
connections properly.
On the Gen2 cars that came out in late 2014, they added a whole bunch of
safety stuff to check for such things. Temperature sensors, Voltage drop
sensing, etc. Because it's vitally important to Tesla's mission to ensure
there are no fires, which of course are blown WAY out of proportion by the
media, they pulled out all the stops on both engineering and legal to
prevent this any way they could. Yeah, I'm not faulting Tesla for wanting
to mitigate risk, but not allowing it after inspection is harming them.
Their general policy on the secondary market is really bad, this has had
the knock-on effect of making Teslas hard to insure, and the rates just
keep on climbing.
When you wreck a car, and the insurance company totals it, they depend on
the secondary market to get a lot of the cost back. Tesla's policies have
reduced this payback, and in addition, it's so difficult to repair a Tesla
expediently because the parts availability is so restricted and even for
"authorized" shops, there are LONG delays getting the parts, so the ins co
will total it rather than pay for months of rental cars and uncertain
repair outcome. Of course that means many more cars are getting sent to
salvage than should be. Many are super simple repairs that don't even
touch the HV systems.
But the main thing here is Tesla is not just blocking cars on their
network, they are altering YOUR car without permission. Look at it this
way, what would you say if you got into a minor accident and then a van
pulls up, a bunch of guys jump out and revoke your optional sport wheel
package? They absolutely have no agreement with the new owner, and
therefore it would be super easy for a US attorney to prosecute them under
the title 1030 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:44 PM Jay Summet via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
> If the car is salvaged, it typically means that an insurance company has
> declared it "un-repairable" and then somebody else buys it for
> scrap/parts/salvage.
>
> [The original owner is compensated by their insurance.]
>
> While it is legal to repair a salvage title vehicle and get it re-titled
> for road use, Tesla has decided that the risk of a fire at one of their
> supercharger stations is too great for a vehicle in that condition.
>
> This is similar to EVgo prohibiting "homebuilt / DIY" vehciles from
> using their DC charging networks as a way to limit liability and risk.
>
> I do wish that they would allow some sort of inspection to "re-certify"
> the car safe to use on the supercharger network.....but if you buy a
> salvage vehicle, you should not expect Tesla to just blindly trust that
> it works correctly.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On 3/17/21 3:20 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
> > Geez, so big brother Tesla disables Fast charging if you get in an
> accident with your $50k+ car so you have to buy a new one!
> > Thanks for the info Phil. It’s a felony but They do it anyway? Maybe a
> felony for a pion individual but not a rich company with many lawyers.
> > Stay Charged,
> > Mark
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 17, 2021, at 2:32 PM, (-Phil-) <p...@ingineerix.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tesla has a policy where if they find out your car is salvage or has
> been in an accident that deployed the airbags, they deem it unsafe to use
> on their supercharger network. Of course they have that right. What they
> don't have the right to do is access the vehicle without the owner's
> permission (Felony computer intrusion) and alter it's configuration so it
> will no longer fast charge. Since the car controls the charger, this is
> the mechanism they use to disable it.
> >
> > I've restored supercharging on cars that I deem are safe to do this on,
> and have been doing so since 2015. There have not been any problems.
> Note that I am not assisting anyone with theft, I simply restore the
> original configuration. If the car had paid supercharging, that is what is
> restored, so they still have to have a credit card on file with Tesla, and
> are still billed accordingly.
> >
> > The utility of a Tesla is impacted if it isn't allowed to DC fast
> charge. (Tesla doesn't make the distinction)
> >
> > They offer an expensive high-voltage inspection procedure, which is
> required if you want them to do any work on the powertrain (paid of course,
> as they void your warranty), but they will absolutely not re-enable fast
> charging, period.
> >
> > Here's their official policy document:
> https://pdfhost.io/v/vJRva0n7P_TN1800001_Unsupported_Vehicle_Policy_R1pdf.pdf
> >
> >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 6:22 AM Mark Hanson <markehans...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Phil
> >> Why were their Tesla’s disabled?
> >> Best regards
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Mar 16, 2021, at 10:30 PM, (-Phil-) <p...@ingineerix.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have extensive experience hacking on Teslas since 2015. I have
> literally touched thousands of salvage Teslas (mostly remotely and with the
> request and permission of their owners) to help them get the cars
> operational again, and there is a very high success rate. (>99%) Many of
> these cars are no longer connected to Tesla's servers, and operate just
> fine.
> >>
> >> I have created a new backend replacement for Tesla's "mothership" that
> allows the same functionality that a connected car offers. It gives the
> owner all the functionality of Tesla's own app, plus access to all the
> "secret" diagnostic data that is normally only visible to Tesla.
> >>
> >> I can assure you that a Tesla will still drive fine even if it can't
> "phone home". Of course, you lose some of the connected features.
> >>
> >> Surprisingly, once you have access to the internal diagnostic data,
> Teslas are easy and fun to work on. They have incredible self-diagnostic
> capability that even surpasses systems such as FADEC used in commercial
> aviation. Too bad that Tesla works REALLY hard to keep that secret and
> unavailable to their customers.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:19 PM Mark Hanson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Thanks Paul
> >>> I haven’t either, the trailer sticks out obstructing gas station
> traffic so you have to detach the boat (and With a heavy tongue might need
> a wheel dolly). I saw online some folks charging with campers behind
> their Y but maybe found special charging stations. I found one that could
> work with a trailer in Woodstock, md at Walmart but not at Sheetz.
> >>> Stay Charged,
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:43 AM, paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can you charge with a trailor attached on non-Tesla charger? I haven't
> seen any charging that follows the gas station model.
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 9:57:49 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>> I’m having trouble deciding between a Ford Escape PHEV (37 miles EV
> range) $32k-6.8kFed or a Tesla-Y $50k (316 Mile range) The Tesla has auto
> driving capability, can be added anytime for an additional $10k (As full
> capability is added) since My wife has trouble driving now and won’t drive
> at all at night. I drive her to work. The Tesla has lower maintenance but
> is pricey. I ordered the Ford in October and thought it was made of
> Unobtanium but got a dealer paper saying they’d make it iN Louisville April
> 19thweek. So I’d have to cancel the Ford order if I bought the Tesla. The
> only inconvenience with the Tesla is all fast charging stations are along a
> wall so you’d have to disconnect the boat to charge whereas gas pumps are
> pull through to accommodate trailers. That would probably just be an issue
> if trying to trailer the boat a long distance (and the range half).
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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