- See my note about the capacity of fueling stations being built today. Your number is no longer correct.
- the needed infrastructure ratio makes me neither happy nor unhappy. They just are what they are, but you need to adjust comparisons based on that, as you have done (I’m not commenting on whether your methodology is correct or incorrect. I don’t have an opinion on that). Your numbers just need to use current numbers. The infrastructure for FCEV does make me unhappy, and again, in the real world it can be fine, depending on whether it meets your needs. For me and my family, most it has. Elsewhere, it doesn’t, as you point out. In most of those places, you won’t be able to get a vehicle. Irrelevant to the consumer, because it can’t help them, there is actually infrastructure out there that could allow a cross country trip. It you had access to the hydrogen fueling infrastructure in distribution warehouses across the country, you could make it across the country. You can’t, but it just shows that it can be built. Just like Tesla did it. Or the country in the 50’s when the interstate system was built. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 25, 2021, at 2:28 AM, Peter VanDerWal via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > >> >> >> In regard to your question “ How is comparing the number of stations that >> are ACTUALLY open not an >> "apples to apples" comparison?” - If you are trying to compare how many >> vehicles you have the >> capacity to serve, there is not a one to one match. A hydrogen fueling >> “spot” can refuel many more >> cars, provide fuel for many more miles…however you want to measure it. Put >> another way, if you were >> to built the “right” number of charging stations for a million BEVs, and >> then assumed that the >> amount for BEVs would be the same number as for a million FCEVs, you would >> be dead wrong. Hope that >> my point was clearer. > > The hydrogen fuel stations they are installing in California can produce > about 180 kg of hydrogen a day, in the real world that is enough for > 10,000-11,000 miles. > While not all of the 40,000 EV charging stations can match that, there are > hundreds that can exceed that rate on a daily basis. Almost all of the DC > fast chargers they have been installing for the last year or two can exceed > that. > If it makes you happy then the infrastructure advantage is only 100:1 instead > of 1,000:1 > >> >> But my earlier point was that, as an individual consumer, if you have >> adequate H2 infrastructure > > Yes, but I was asking about in the real world, not pipe dreams. Right now, > outside of California, there is essentially zero infrastructure for FCEV and > that is not likely to change any time soon. > So, in the real world, consumers outside of california are not going to buy > FCEVs, and not a whole lot of them inside of california are buying into them > either. > > In the real world there is currently enough infrastructure to make a trip in > one of the recent model EVs from pretty much anywhere in the USA to pretty > much anywhere else. > There isn't currently enough hydrogen infrastructure to even reach all points > in California. I suppose you could drive from LA into Arizona a little bit > before you ran out of hydrogen, but then you'd have to hire someone to haul > the vehicle back to LA. > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
