Dear John,
well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around
your question in the space that OSLIST provides.
I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not
supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive"
would be welcome in that breakout session.
Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change"?
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList:
Hmmmm...
I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:
/*As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to
what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the
system should proceed?*/
Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene
this dialogue?
Thank you!
John
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On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Harrison,
On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with
their primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try
to organize them.
Yes I agree
I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be
to watch the system closely and be supportive of system
changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This
would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the
system should proceed.
Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide
"where and how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial
Intelligence are blowing
The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the
wind. Good sailors ride the winds that blow.
Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial
Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism
literally means human-centered, but in its most relevant
philosophical form, it is *the ethical belief that humans alone
possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." Carol Sandford, The
Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism
Today's Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.
In Solidarity,
Tony
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <[email protected]> wrote:
Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread.
Of course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as
well. Yet how can social self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony
Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate
to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the
most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not
at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I
guess, but when something spreads to all continents with
millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship.
sounds good to me.
Harrison
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
<[email protected]> wrote:
I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change
when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000
people.
Social science research on networks suggests that
current OST practices are not effective in increasing
the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and
utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a
more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You
can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's
talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.
On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
<http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:
Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!
Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal
Artur
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*Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change
Dear Tony,
ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:
OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many
other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they
always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something.
The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space
for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and
space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.
Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor
that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough
time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and
that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
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