Thank you Michael.
*re: I wonder if I would be welcome in that breakout session.*Of course! Whoever comes are the right people. *re: Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change"?* Yes, that works for me! But I am open to alternatives. Cheers, JohnW *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 [email protected] <[email protected]> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 1:27 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear John, > > well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around your > question in the space that OSLIST provides. > > I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not > supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive" would > be welcome in that breakout session. > > Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex > Contagions & Behavior Change"? > > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > > Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList: > > Hmmmm... > > I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question: > > *As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and > supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what > degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should > proceed?* > > Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this > dialogue? > > Thank you! > John > > > *John Warinner *(541) 815-4103 > [email protected] > > > On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Harrison, >> On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote: >> >> My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their >> primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize >> them. >> >> Yes I agree >> >> I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch >> the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are >> emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of >> where and how the system should proceed. >> >> Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and >> how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are >> blowing >> >> The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. >> Good sailors ride the winds that blow. >> >> Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence >> and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally means >> human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is *the >> ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to >> know*." >> Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism, >> https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's >> Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor. >> >> In Solidarity, >> Tony >> >> >> Harrison >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, >>> I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social >>> self-organizing do more? >>> More Fun - Less Stuff, >>> Tony >>> >>> Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY >>> experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self >>> organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done >>> differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents >>> with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good >>> to me. >>> >>> Harrison >>> >>> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes >>>> to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. >>>> >>>> Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices >>>> are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the >>>> uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more >>>> network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this >>>> by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. >>>> On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: >>>> >>>> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >>>> >>>> >>>> Artur >>>> >>>> *----------------------------------------* >>>> *De :* Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <[email protected]> >>>> *À :* Budak, Tony <[email protected]>; OS LIST <[email protected]> >>>> *Envoyé :* jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >>>> *Objet :* [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & >>>> Behavior Change >>>> >>>> Dear Tony, >>>> >>>> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >>>> >>>> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >>>> However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things >>>> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even >>>> without an OST gathering. >>>> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on >>>> the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of >>>> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >>>> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for >>>> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >>>> >>>> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all >>>> issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can >>>> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >>>> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things >>>> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >>>> >>>> Have a great day >>>> Greetings from Berlin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Click HERE to Contact Tony >>>> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >>>> >>>> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >>>> Until next time, Tony Budak, >>>> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >>>> >>>> P.S. 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