Brent Meeker wrote: > Suppose that theory X predicts there are some things we'll never figure out. > And there are > some things we haven't figured out. That's at best extremely > weak support for theory X.
I would agree were that the case. But surely the potential power of comp qua Theory X is precisely, to the extent that it is correct, that it may give us the possibility of figuring out (or at least illuminating somewhat) an area that has appeared extremely opaque in terms of physics as currently conceived. > Yes, I find it interesting and I'm willing to spend time trying to understand > it - but being > contrary to empiricism doesn't count in it's favor in my > view. I'm puzzled as to why you say it's contrary to empiricism. AFAICS comp doesn't require us to ignore the evidence of our senses, but offers a different rationale for how such data gets to be there, compared to that offered by standard physics. The observables that either model attempts to account for are the same, and either is empirical to the extent it presents disconfirmable predictions vis-a-vis those observables. Beyond this, where the 'observables' relate more directly to the 1-person pov itself, rather than its emergent phenomena, it seems to me that comp may offer more insight and empirical opportunities than a 'physical computationalism', which AFAICS has always been a largely blank promissory note drawn on 'well, what else could it possibly be'? We shall see. David > David Nyman wrote: > > Brent Meeker wrote: > > > >> But it's still a model, one based on arithmetic rather than matter, and > >> the only way to > judge whether it is a good model to see how it > >> corresponds with "mere appearance"; just > like we test QM, general > >> relativity, and every other theory. It *might* be the really real > > >> model - but so might any other model that fits all the data. > > > > Yes, of course, Brent - hence my comments later on in my post. But in > > fact, comp implies that the normal physics model can't 'fit all the > > data', if we include (as we must) the 1-person pov itself in 'the > > data'. > > Suppose that theory X predicts there are some things we'll never figure out. > And there are some things we haven't figured out. That's at best extremely > weak support for theory X. > > >And my point is also that a model which is, in this respect > > particularly, so counter to 'normal science' is especially provocative > > and deserves much attention. > > Yes, I find it interesting and I'm willing to spend time trying to understand > it - but being contrary to empiricism doesn't count in it's favor in my view. > > Brent Meeker --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---