Hello,

like I said before you are just turning the meaning of consciousness to mean 
whatever you think you're not.

Knowing something implies consciousness, if you're not conscious, you 
can't "know" anything.

Quentin

On Thursday 07 June 2007 15:47:35 Torgny Tholerus wrote:
>  Bruno Marchal skrev:
> Le 04-juin-07, à 14:10, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
>
> Pain is the same thing as the pain center in the brain being stimulated.
>
>  If you are really unconscious or not conscious, you could say this,
> indeed, but I hardly believe you are unconscious. In the best case your
> theory will work for you and other "zombie". It cannot work for those who
> admit the 1/3 distinction or the mind/body apparent distinction. You are on
> the fringe of being an eliminativist philosopher. What I do appreciate is
> that you offer your theory for yourself. Let me ask you explicitly this
> question, which I admit is admittedly weird to ask to a zombie, but: do you
> think *we* are conscious?
>
>  I am constructed in such a way (my brain connections is such that...) I
> very strongly claim that I am conscious, I very strongly claim that I have
> feelings, I very strongly claim that I have a mind, I very strongly claim
> that I have perceptions.  But I know (intellectually) that I am wrong, and
> I know why I am wrong.
>
>  When I look at you (in 3rd person view), I see that you are constructed in
> exactly the same way as I am.  So I know why you say that you are
> conscious.  I know nothing sure about you, but the most probable conclusion
> is that you are equally unconscious as I am.
>
>  What is the philosophical term for persons like me, that totally deny the
> existence of the consciousness? (I also deny the existence of infinity...)
>
>  --
>  Torgny Tholerus
>
>
>  


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