2008/11/1 Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>> 2008/11/1 Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>> Well if I'm Kory or Bruno, I'm not me...
>>> You distorted my hypothetical. Could you not still be you and simply
>>> have the mistaken notion that your name is "Kory"? If your earliest
>>> childhood memories were replaced by Bruno's, would you cease to exist?
>> I think I cannot be me without *my* memories... I equate memories and
>> me. If not what is me, if I'm still me without my memories ?
> But surely you don't require *all* your memories just to be you. And
> what about false memories? What if you had just one memory that was
> false of you but true of Bruno? You have no doubt forgotten many things
> from your childhood, so, as measured by information, you are quite
> different from the person you were then.
You are implying that identity doesn't exist. What I'd say is that the
only thing I'm sure of in this world is the 'I'.. the particular 'I'
that is me. So no someone with the memories of the childhood of Bruno
and my current memories is not me... only because my current memories
are not consistent with Bruno's childhood, it follows than they
couldn't be my current memories. If my memories are erased and my body
still live, I think it's equivalent to have killed me... I'm (the 'I'
that is currently me) dead for all practical purpose. Now you would
say that I'm dying as time goes by because being different than a
second ago... but my memories still carries the same 'I'... and 'I' is
living in time and not an instantaneous data. I don't believe identity
is an illusion... and I need more than what if to disprove it.
>>>> And if my grandma had b...
>>>> her name would be grandpa.
>>>> If consciousness is information and feeling being an 'I' (and also a
>>>> particular 'I')
>>> I think that is a false intuition. I don't believe that you directly
>>> feel being Quentin Anciaux, it is a memory and an inference made up of
>>> many bits of information. You are not feeling it at every moment, but
>>> only when you think about "Who I am." at which time an appropriate name
>>> and life history comes to mind.
>> It is not an intuition, it is an assumption
> Your "feeling being a particular I" is an assumption? How can a feeling
> be an assumption? Isn't it a perception or at most the interpretation
> of a perception?
Ok, but it is the only perception that I'm sure of, only because 'I'
is needed to perceive.
>> (that can be false,
>> sure)... Is counsciousness information ?.=> yes ? Is this information
>> finite ? (should be... what could be infinite length *information* ?)
>>>> is information and indeed a finite length
>>>> information... then one bit of difference and I'm not me... anything
>>>> else but me.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
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