Bruno,
            I was just quoting you: "And if you do the math, you get a 
physics extracted from mechanism, and you can use it to confirm 
mechanism or to refute it."  Did you mean "refutes materialism"?

Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 19 Nov 2008, at 16:01, m.a. wrote:
>
>> *So you're saying that a "physics extracted from mechanism" which 
>> (let's assume) refutes mechanism, *
>
>
> If a physics extracted from mechanism refutes mechanism, then 
> mechanism is refuted. (p implies not p) is equivalent with (not p).
>
> I guess you meant "refutes materialism". One main point is that 
> physics extracted logically from comp could be refuted by the 
> experimental facts, and this would lead to an experimental refutation 
> of comp.
>
> Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>> Hi m.a.
>>>
>>>
>>>  if mechanism is true, then the "physical universe" appears to be 
>>> the border of the universal machine "ignorance". The cosmos is the 
>>> tip of the iceberg. And the laws of physics are really something 
>>> which evolved, yet not in a space time, but in a logical space 
>>> gluing the possible machine "dreams". I am not saying this is true, 
>>> only that it is a consequence of the seemingly innocent (for some 
>>> naturalist) mechanist hypothesis.
>>>
>>>  It gives a way to justify the why and how of physical laws, and 
>>> this from mechanism, and this without making the (ad hoc) assumption 
>>> of a physical universe. _*And if you do the math, you get a physics 
>>> extracted from mechanism, and you can use it to confirm mechanism or 
>>> to refute it.*_
>>>
>>> You can take the reasoning train which is currently passing. Mainly 
>>> the MGA can be understood by patient layman having some notion of 
>>> digital machine.
>>>
>>> Bruno
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/>
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