Thanks Russell, I will take a look. At first sight he makes the same "error" with numbers that Wolfram makes with cellular automata. Those are still mathematical form of physicalism, incompatible with the mechanist thesis in the cognitive science. Of course we converge toward rather similar (recursively isomorphic or weakened) ontologies. But they seems to believe they can recover some physics from that, where, saying "yes" to the surgeon requires to abandon that very idea. Physics, like in Plato and Plotinus, is not a mathematical structure among others, it is a mathematical structure which relate all mathematical structures in a precise way. Physics is somehow much more fundamental than being a thing completely describable by a set of mechanical laws. Pu in another way, such theories are unaware of the mind-body problem and still use an identity relation between a mind and a implementation of a program which UDA forces to abandon, to be frank. This does not mean those works are uninteresting of course, and they may play some role in the unravelling of the Minds and Bodies problems. Sure.

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Bruno On 13 May 2009, at 01:15, russell standish wrote: > > Hi Bruno, > > Have you come across Victor Korotkikh's stuff? He's got a recent > article out in Complexity: > > http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121426751/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 > > (Complexity, 14, 40-46) > > It basically explores the organisational properties of the integers, > prime numbers etc. Which is kind of interesting in a pure mathematical > way, but he then uses this to model real complex systems, emergent > properties and so on. If you can't get the above paper, here is a much > earlier one that is not behind a paywall: > http://www.complexity.org.au/ci/vol03/victor2/ > > > I've met him a few times over the years - he's based in Townsville, > about 2000km north of here. He's an intense Russian who's presentation > is almost impenetrable - but there are people I respect who consider > him a genius. > > It struck me this morning how similar in many ways his programme is to > yours. I suppose you both share a strong neo-platonic viewpoint for > starters. > > Cheers > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Mathematics > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 hpco...@hpcoders.com.au > Australia http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---