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From: Bruno Marchal
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Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Free will: Wrong entry.
On 12 Mar 2010, at 18:34, m.a. wrote:
What sort of "short cut" are you talking about? I don't see any short cuts
here. I can see where people will find reasons afterwards to justify their
decisions by consulting conscience and notions of good and bad, but that's all
a posterior. marty a.
I am not sure what you are talking about. You may elaborate what do you mean
by free will, and why you believe it does not exist. But this has been
discussed very often, notably on the FOR list. You may consult the archive.
I am not sure "free" adds anything to the will. (Free) will is the ability of
a person to develop personal goals and to satisfy them in absence of coercion.
I think most animals have free will, and that such a notion has nothing to do
with indeterminism of the mind (but has to do with self-indeterminacy). Like
consciousness "having free will" is probably in the corona G* \ G. If true it
is not provable.
Bruno
Reply:
I agree with you that quantum indeterminacy doesn't affect
(free) will: "Quantum mechanics is local and deterministic, and explains why
it seems indeterministic to the 99,9999...% of the observers." (3/12/2010 7:58
AM),
which is why I feel that your use of the words "ability" and "develop" when
you say: "the ability of a person to develop personal goals and to satisfy them
in absence of coercion" (above) can as easily refer to completely determined
processes which introspection identfies as voluntary a split second afterwards
... as it can anything else. m.a.
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