On Feb 10, 2:06 am, Brent Meeker <meeke...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> On 2/9/2011 5:02 PM, 1Z wrote:
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> > On Feb 10, 12:19 am, Brent Meeker<meeke...@dslextreme.com>  wrote:
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> >> On 2/9/2011 3:35 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
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> >>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, John Mikes<jami...@gmail.com>    wrote:
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> >>>> Stathis,
> >>>> I like your implications:
> >>>> "... I assume you think that such an attempt would fail, that
> >>>> although some processes in the brain such as chemistry and the
> >>>> behaviour of electric fields can be modelled, there are other
> >>>> processes that can't be modelled. What processes are these, and what
> >>>> evidence do you have that they exist?"
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> >>>> I am speaking about processes we don't (yet?) know at all, like some
> >>>> centuries ago electricity etc. etc. and in due course we learn about
> >>>> phenomena not fitting into our existing 'models'.
> >>>> I don't volunteer to describe such processes before we learn about them 
> >>>> (how
> >>>> stupid of me) - netiher do I have "evidence" for the "existence and
> >>>> behavior" of such unkown/able processes.
> >>>> Our cultural induction allows a widening of models, processes, phenomena,
> >>>> mechanisms.
> >>>> We even advanced from the Geocentric vision.
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> >>> One thing that we have found with all new physical phenomena is that
> >>> they follow physical laws that can be described algorithmically.
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> >> Physical laws aren't "out there".  They are models we invent.
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> > It's  not satisfactory to say that there is no lawfulness to  the
> > universe
> > at all. Is there no reason the sun will rise tomorrow?
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> That's the model.  I don't know how to define a "reason" except in terms
> of some model.


"We define it in terms of a model" doesn't mean "it just is a model".
Models
are models *of* something.

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