On Feb 10, 2:06 am, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2/9/2011 5:02 PM, 1Z wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 10, 12:19 am, Brent Meeker<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 2/9/2011 3:35 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > >>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, John Mikes<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Stathis, > >>>> I like your implications: > >>>> "... I assume you think that such an attempt would fail, that > >>>> although some processes in the brain such as chemistry and the > >>>> behaviour of electric fields can be modelled, there are other > >>>> processes that can't be modelled. What processes are these, and what > >>>> evidence do you have that they exist?" > > >>>> I am speaking about processes we don't (yet?) know at all, like some > >>>> centuries ago electricity etc. etc. and in due course we learn about > >>>> phenomena not fitting into our existing 'models'. > >>>> I don't volunteer to describe such processes before we learn about them > >>>> (how > >>>> stupid of me) - netiher do I have "evidence" for the "existence and > >>>> behavior" of such unkown/able processes. > >>>> Our cultural induction allows a widening of models, processes, phenomena, > >>>> mechanisms. > >>>> We even advanced from the Geocentric vision. > > >>> One thing that we have found with all new physical phenomena is that > >>> they follow physical laws that can be described algorithmically. > > >> Physical laws aren't "out there". They are models we invent. > > > It's not satisfactory to say that there is no lawfulness to the > > universe > > at all. Is there no reason the sun will rise tomorrow? > > That's the model. I don't know how to define a "reason" except in terms > of some model.
"We define it in terms of a model" doesn't mean "it just is a model". Models are models *of* something. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
