On Feb 12, 9:03 am, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > 2011/2/12 1Z <[email protected]> >
> > > > However, they don't exist, so there is no mystery. You just > > > > have to pretend they do in order to play certain games. > > > > However they do exists... > > > Proof? > > I can think about them. I exist. > > > >you don't have to pretend to play games... what > > > does it mean to pretend something exists ? > > > And you from the brithplace of Marcel Marceau! > > ? "I'm pretending I'm walking into the wind"..."now I'm pretending I'm in a glass box"... > > > All your definitions of existing lies down to interaction with you > > > (RITSTIAR)... You are so sure by what you mean by real, that it has so > > much > > > sense that you could not look beyond... > > > I don't need to. Existing abstract objects, ie numbers, explain > > nothing about our ability to think about abstract objects , > > since they can't interact with our brains. (Benacerraf) > > They interact with mine, Interesting. How do you know? I mean, the idea that abstract objects don't interact with concrete object is usually regarded as a logical truth (and one that realists concede as well as anti realists, which makes Benacerraf's argument powerful. But, hey, if you know better....) > I can think about them, that's an interaction, I > don't invent them. I do not decide their properties. > > > > > > I don't agree with your definition > > > even with RITSTIAR just because I don't know what makes me real and I > > don't > > > know in what sense I'm more real than you or not... but I'm sure I'm more > > > real than you from my own POV. > > > I don't think I need to worry about how real I am for my argument to > > go through > > I think it does because you insist about RITSTIAR... I am in less doubt about my own reality than anything else...It don't need to throw insistence at it to *make*it true.. >and I don't know if you > are Real In the sense that *I* am real Maybe you don't. But the point is that you don't have to believe that I am real...from your perspective, the point is you are real. And that your reality is not the result of "the usual mathematical sense of existence" >... I don't know either in what sense > I'm real, It doesn't matter what sense. It is some non-zero sense, so any argument about my reality must assume something about reality. >does it mean something beyond the fact that I can die and no more > be real if it's what it is ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
