On Feb 12, 9:05 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/2/12 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>
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> > On Feb 11, 11:50 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 2011/2/11 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>
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> > > > On Feb 10, 1:24 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > > > > On 09 Feb 2011, at 16:49, 1Z wrote:
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> > > > > > On Feb 8, 6:17 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > > > > >> On 07 Feb 2011, at 23:58, 1Z wrote:
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> > > > > >>> On Feb 7, 6:29 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > > > > >>>> Peter,
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> > > > > >>>> Everything is fine. You should understand the reasoning by using
> > > > > >>>> only
> > > > > >>>> the formal definition of "arithmetical realism",
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> > > > > >>> You reasoning *cannot* be both valid and ontologically
> > > > > >>> neutral because it has ontological conclusions.
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> > > > > >> Wrong.
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> > > > > > Wrong about what?
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> > > > > You were wrong on the idea that an argument cannot be valid and
> > > > > ontological. It is enough that the premises have ontological clauses.
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> > > > So which is the ontological premise? You don't say
> > > > that Platonism is an explicit premise. But it isn't
> > > > a corollary of CT either.
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> > > The ontological premise is that *you* could be replaced by *a digital
> > brain*
> > > in other word a program and still be you.
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> > That just repeats the same ambiguity. Is the programe supposed to be
> > physically
> > instantiated as patterns of electrical charge in circuitry, or
> > floating around in Plato's heaven.
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> When I program, I don't care about circuitry, I care about what the program
> does.

It does nothing without circuitry.

>The circuitry add nothing from this POV.

Choosing to ignore things doesn't make them non-existent.

>The only thing cicuitry add
> is the possible interaction I can have with the program,

ie, reality

> and that is
> absolutely necessary if I wan't to interact with it. But that doesn't change
> the program in itself.

There is no programme itself without instantiation (including
instantiation in
your brain)

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