On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com> wrote: > 1Z wrote: > > >> >> Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at all > >> >> with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics has to be > >> >> reduced to number theory, and such a primary matter is an invisible > >> >> epiphenomena. > > >> > Physics cannot be eliminated in favour of non existent numbers. > >> > Numbers > >> > have to exist for the conclusion to follow > > >> Physics is not eliminated, on the contrary, physics is explained from > >> something non physical. > > > The anti realist position is not that numbers are some existing non- > > physical > > thing: it is that they are not existent at all. > > If numbers don't exist at all, what does a statement that seems very much > like a non-fictional and true statement, like "I have two hands" mean?
It's asserting the existence of hands, not numbers. > If you have two hands, two does exists, otherwise you couldn't have two of > something, right? And if you have none of something, none exists. > Or is it a fictional statement? > Nope. You seem to think every word in a true sentence must have a separate referent. However, "and", "or", "is", "not" etc do not have separate referents. A true sentence must refer *as a whole* to some state of affairs. That is the only requirement. > But this is obviously absurd! - Except if you accept that fictional things > are, too, real in a sense, but this would mean that "fictional" > numbers/computation can indeed be what determines the appearance of the > physical. > > Or numbers are material things and numbers give rise to (in this case) the > rest of material things. In this case your sense of material is quite > akward, though. > > -- > View this message in > context:http://old.nabble.com/Maudlin---How-many-times-does-COMP-have-to-be-f... > Sent from the Everything List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.