1) Strong CT/Deutch...will look it up...Sounds like one of the
conflations in operation: confusing the natural world with some kind of
computer running rules, rather than something natural merely behaving
rule-ly to an observing scientist.
2) Re: angry popperians...the role of human creativity in the science
process is not that of blind/mindless searching. I'm not sure how you
construed this from the text. The so-called robot scientists (automated
dataminers) do that kind of searching. That is the mindless searching I
meant. Humans scientists built the searching robots...a very different
process... also....Constructing a hypothesis is a creative act, and it
proceeds as much by 'gut' as by anything else. This is the sense in
which the "obvious that human scientists do not operate this way" was
meant. .Interesting that you should reach this position despite all my
attempts not to convey anything like it....boy this stuff is hard to
I hope you can keep up the effort!
Russell Standish wrote:
I'm having a read through your paper now, and have a few comments to
keep the juices of debate flowing on this list.
Firstly, I'd like to say well done - you have written a very clear
paper in what is a very murky subject.
I have two comments right now - but I haven't finished, so there could
well be more.
1) Your definition of COMP is more along the lines of Deutsch's
physical Turing principle, or Thesis P. Wikipedia seems to call it the
strong CT thesis. It is important to note that it is a stronger
assumption than Bruno's COMP assumption, and indeed Bruno has already
given a proof that physics cannot be computable - so you might be
proving the same thing via a different method.
Nevertheless, I haven't seen yet whether weakening your definition of COMP
invalidates your argument though
2) A few times through the text you make remarks along the lines of
"it might appear that laws of nature might still be accessible by an
extreme form of the randomized-search/machine-learning approach, even
though it is obvious that human scientists do not operate this way."
"Obvious"? It is far from obvious. What you say flies directly in the
face of Popper's "Conjectures and Refutations", and you would face a
horde of angry Popperians if you were to post this stuff on the FoR
Anyway, I'll keep reading.
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