Oh yeah and in response to Bruno's supposed apriori platonic forms... a
doctrine that Plato himself probably didn't believe in..... I want to assert
that all mathematics is based on linguistical operations dependent on the
social context of thinking minds and self-constructed extensions/glyphs
abstracted from physical/geometric/terrestial perceptions.
I want to assert that if you read Plato and the Neo-Platonists.... including
Proclus... there is no coherent Platonic Theology.... There is no actual
and completed Platonic Theology to which you can refer. There are multiple
interpretations and multiple construction-experiments. Plato's Theology was
simply a basic intuition dimly articulated with difficulty.
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Constantine Pseudonymous <bsor...@gmail.com
> how do you leap from non-doer to non-doing and unconsciousness?
> On Jul 3, 10:30 pm, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:32 PM, B Soroud <bsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "if you are thinking about consciousness, then what else could it have
> > > but consciousness that caused you to think about it"
> > > Are you saying consciousness literally causes you to objectify
> > > consciousness? Consciousness as a base is required to reflect on
> > > consciousness... the question is whether consciousness can truly be
> > > objectified or only falsely so.
> > There appears to be some confusion. This is what I am saying:
> > Selva asked if consciousness is causally effective. My response is a
> > thought experiment designed to show that it is:
> > 1. Assume consciousness is not causally effective
> > 2. It follows that consciousness has no effects
> > 3. If consciousness has no effects, then whether present or not it makes
> > difference in what happens
> > 4. Consider a universe identical to this one only without any
> > (this is possible only in the case where consciousness is causally inert)
> > 5. This universe would have zombie humans that talk about consciousness,
> > that appear to wonder about consciousness, that write e-mail threads
> > consciousness, and so on, yet all this is happening in a universe where
> > consciousness does not exist.
> > 6. It seems odd that there would be zombies talking and wondering about
> > consciousness in a universe where there is no such thing as
> > If on the other hand, consciousness is causally effective, as I believe
> > is, then zombie universes cannot be identical to our own. Perhaps you
> > nothing wrong with a zombie universe with beings wondering about
> > consciousness, but if you do, then you should doubt the assumption made
> > step 1.
> > Jason
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