how do you leap from non-doer to non-doing and unconsciousness?

On Jul 3, 10:30 pm, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:32 PM, B Soroud <bsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "if you are thinking about consciousness, then what else could it have been
> > but consciousness that caused you to think about it"
>
> > Are you saying consciousness literally causes you to objectify
> > consciousness? Consciousness as a base is required to reflect on
> > consciousness... the question is whether consciousness can truly be
> > objectified or only falsely so.
>
> There appears to be some confusion.  This is what I am saying:
>
> Selva asked if consciousness is causally effective.  My response is a
> thought experiment designed to show that it is:
>
> 1. Assume consciousness is not causally effective
> 2. It follows that consciousness has no effects
> 3. If consciousness has no effects, then whether present or not it makes do
> difference in what happens
> 4. Consider a universe identical to this one only without any consciousness
> (this is possible only in the case where consciousness is causally inert)
> 5. This universe would have zombie humans that talk about consciousness,
> that appear to wonder about consciousness, that write e-mail threads about
> consciousness, and so on, yet all this is happening in a universe where
> consciousness does not exist.
> 6. It seems odd that there would be zombies talking and wondering about
> consciousness in a universe where there is no such thing as consciousness.
>
> If on the other hand, consciousness is causally effective, as I believe it
> is, then zombie universes cannot be identical to our own.  Perhaps you see
> nothing wrong with a zombie universe with beings wondering about
> consciousness, but if you do, then you should doubt the assumption made at
> step 1.
>
> Jason

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