2011/8/3 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > On Aug 3, 9:02 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2011/8/3 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > > > > > On Aug 3, 7:40 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2011/8/3 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > > > > > > When for all possible inputs, it outputs the same as the system it is > > > > mimicking... > > > > > Wouldn't that be never, since there is not necessarily a limit to the > > > number of possible inputs or outputs of consciousness? > > > You'll never be able to prove it... You can't prove either that you are > > conscious. > > Exactly! Which is why 'proof' is not a valid epistemology for > examining consciousness and why the whole notion of relating conscious > experience to 'outputs' is a red herring. > > > The thing is that if for every instance of test that you could think of > and > > *perform*, the simulated system would react as the "real" system. Then > you > > should tentatively accept it is conscious. > > Whether we accept it as conscious or not doesn't mean that it *is* > conscious. Children accept that stuffed animals are conscious, so > what? > > Craig >
Stuffed animals don't *react as a conscious system*. The "so what" is what is important. If the system react as a conscious system, then it must be conscious or zombies exist. As I don't believe in zombies I would say it is conscious, as I grant you are. Quentin > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
